Congress may be divided on Immigration, but Americans are not

[Carol&Marc 0]

No ,I would say! I like it here better. yaeh Im sure you would say that! someone invades your property and you come out and ask why I need to play there! WEAK very WEAK

Edited October 23, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[mawilson 2,133]

Where world leaders to address the real issues which lead to mass migrations of peoples for

economic/political reasons, then the necessity to protect one's borders would become mute.

Never going to happen. We are privileged at the expense of others.

We can't make everyone in the world happy without giving up our wealth and

putting our states and societies under the sword of a unilateral and globalised

market system.

[Heracles 417]

You can beat this drum all you like, the fact is if there was more thought put into resolving problems than closing doors the world would be a better place.

Thought does not fix problems, actions do..

What should they do with their border in regards to terrorists using it to enter the country illegally????

[Peikko 1,575]

Very cute.

[Heracles 417]

again, What should they do with their border in regards to terrorists using it to enter the country illegally????

[Carol&Marc 0]

again, What should they do with their border in regards to terrorists using it to enter the country illegally????

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[Alex+R 0]

Where world leaders to address the real issues which lead to mass migrations of peoples for

economic/political reasons, then the necessity to protect one's borders would become mute.

Never going to happen. We are privileged at the expense of others.

We can't make everyone in the world happy without giving up our wealth and

putting our states and societies under the sword of a unilateral and globalised

market system.

True, but you know what's totally bizarre? I heard the leader of THE MINUTEMEN (redneck organization, not the band), of all people, saying exactly that. He was on the Colbert Report.

[Peikko 1,575]

Sadly, that's the problem.

You believe that people who don't completely buy into consumerist society, who would like to see more compassion and more solutions are weak and 'liberal' (how evil)

Your kind of mindset really can't get beyond, "we have what we have and we aren't giving it up, regardless of who we trample to maintain it"

For you indeed there is only one solution to this, to try to keep everyone out of your backyard and you see it as perfectly legitimate. More fool you.

You think it's clever to poke fun at me because I have a different perspective. You think I am sad because I don't believe in your 'let's show 'em' attitudes. Well, so be it.

[mawilson 2,133]

True, but you know what's totally bizarre? I heard the leader of THE MINUTEMEN (redneck organization, not the band), of all people, saying exactly that. He was on the Colbert Report.

LOL Alex -- I'm not the leader of the Minutemen, honest guv

[rellik 0]

The US isn't promoting it's population to enter illegaly into another country...Secondly, a statement about knowing the world coming from a Brit is after all, funny!!!! Thanks for the problems in the middle east since Britain divided up that part of the world in the 1900's, thanks for all the colonialism, thanks for allowing the US to fight to defend you....Thanks!!! If Americans are so rotten, then why did you move here? Why haven't you left? Why shouldn't the US close it's borders, kick the UN out, and not be involved in the world? Let's see how far that goes when the money dries up and the world doesn't have someone to come to the rescue!!!! Is that history enough for you????

You can't see the irony in suggesting that a foreign government stays out of US domestic issues? Really, you people should read more, learn more about history, get out and see more of the world.

This is another particularly vacous argument. Because I am from the UK means automatically that I represent the views that led to all the 'bad' things that have come out of the UK. Or the, if you don't like it hear go home argument. Come on, grow up!

So the US government isn't promoting illegal entry into other countries, but it is certainly persuing some highly questionable foreign policies.

Oh, and while we are at it, let's see if you can give me one good reason whey "habeus corpus" has been suspended in the USA? Very democratic.

Seriously, if you don't like it exercise the rights America has provided you so far and leave. And what does Habeus Corpus have to do with illegal immigration anyway? Except the illegal terrorists that may be here, and as defined by the UN, they are not a military, nor are they entitled to the Geneva Conventions afforded true members of a nations military. All you have posted here is a dream, one in which if people can just talk about things all the world will be rosy. Just as the UK has the right to protect it's borders, so does America. And yes you are accusing all Americans of being pigs and such when you suggest that we are the problem in the world...

"And there we have it, the rational that prompts most of you 'get the illegals outa here' argument. Essentially, you have your cake and you want to eat it, regardless of the harm your culture/consumarism does to the rest of the world.

The US is full of you wonderful upright citizens. My mind boggles at your one dimensional personalities and you're "I'm alright Jack" mentality. Oh, and even better than that, you like to dabble in external politics tell other nationalities how to behave and try to bully them into a behaviour or religious belief that conforms with the American view of the world, but only if in doing so the US gets some benefit...like say oil.

It's easy to be contented in your fat cat society and pour scorn on the lesser mortals who don't have the 'high morality' that you do.

Luckily, in real life not all Americans behave like this, or have such shallow beliefs.

Be thankful you, who are so passionate about the scurge of the illegals, have nothing more pressing to worry about in your day to day life.

Oh, I know my words don't affect you, still, maybe one day, more people will try to view the whole world as their home and not some abitrary piece of land they happen to have been born in."

Also, I was interested in the illegal immigration issue long before I started this process or even met my wife, so don't presume that I or anyone else wasn't either. Furthermore, you can stop with the snips towards peoples opinions on immigration in the USA. This is OUR problem (until you are naturalized). I just love how the rest of the world thinks they know America, and how rudely they are awakened when America gets pissed off and decides to fight back...

[Peikko 1,575]

Said like a true NIMBI!

Congratulations, it's people like you that give the US a bad name in the rest of the world.

Luckily for me, the Americans I encounter in day to day life are really rather pleasant people.

Please continue to believe that agression and wall building solves your problems.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Build a f#cking wall!!!

[Peikko 1,575]

Seriously, if you don't like it exercise the rights America has provided you so far and leave. And what does Habeus Corpus have to do with illegal immigration anyway? Except the illegal terrorists that may be here, and as defined by the UN, they are not a military, nor are they entitled to the Geneva Conventions afforded true members of a nations military. All you have posted here is a dream, one in which if people can just talk about things all the world will be rosy. Just as the UK has the right to protect it's borders, so does America. And yes you are accusing all Americans of being pigs and such when you suggest that we are the problem in the world...

Wouldn't it be nice if you could send anyone away who didn't agree with you?

What has habeus corpus to do with illegal immigration? Quite right, it's a very important issue for legal residents and deserves its own topic.

Yes, you might say I have posted a dream and that's a real crime isn't it? It would be less of a dream and more of a reality if more people did care about more than just what's good for them in the short term and I don't apologise for holding this aspiration.

I have never argued that the US doesn't have the 'right' to protect its borders, what I have argued is why don't more people stop and consider why this protection is necessary and are the suggested 'agressive' solutions really all that effective?

However, it's easier for you to contend with me if you believe I am wearing the black hat.

[rellik 0]

It's obvious that you have no real argument because everytime someone, myself included, calls you on your B.S., you resort to name calling and insults....Are the people you meet wearing white coats and carrying "candy" for all the patients..???

Said like a true NIMBI!

Congratulations, it's people like you that give the US a bad name in the rest of the world.

Luckily for me, the Americans I encounter in day to day life are really rather pleasant people.

Please continue to believe that agression and wall building solves your problems.

Edited October 23, 2006 by rellik

[mawilson 2,133]

As soon as you hear "if you don't like A, B or C about America, leave", you know

they have no real argument.