Congress may be divided on Immigration, but Americans are not

[Carol&Marc 0]

Purple said:

The only reason why most of you are interseted in this topic at all, is because you are sitting waiting in line and somehow think that if the illegals were to 'vanish in a puff of smoke' you would get pushed to the top of the queue, and another equally vacuous idea, that 'terrorism' would be elliminated from the US radar

THEY ARE ILEAGAL THEY are not in line! #######.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You can't see the irony in suggesting that a foreign government stays out of US domestic issues? Really, you people should read more, learn more about history, get out and see more of the world.

[Carol&Marc 0]

[Peikko 1,575]

Even if true, does that make it any less deplorable? Reading the article posted below, I am not certain that it is true either.

However, what is true is that any legal resident, like myself, is affected by this law and quite honestly, I find it repugnant that in effect I can be hauled off, tortured and held indefinitely with no possible recourse. Does no one else find themselves in the same position and wonder what on earth is going on?

Refer this article http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/101906.html

Oh, and while we are at it, let's see if you can give me one good reason whey "habeus corpus" has been suspended in the USA? Very democratic.

No good reason and no excuse, Hibiscus, but wasn't it suspended for foreign nationals only?

[Heracles 417]

Maybe if more people were interested in global solutions then these problems would diminish, but until then the US faces issues that cannot be waved away with such facile solutions as are so frequently proposed in relation to immigration, terrorism and illegal entry into the USA.

Global solutions... Hold on a second, the US's borders have nothing to do with the world.. It is their right to protect their borders as is and should be the right of any country..

So should they leave the borders open so anyone can simply walk into the country. What about terrorists and other bad apples? An open illegal immigration policy applies to all groups of people, not just the poor and hungry. Terrorists probably have already and will continue to walk across the border and enter the US through Mexico.. That is what concerns me.. That should be a number one priority..

How many other countries around the world have such large borders to cover??? Yet you speak as if the world has been there and done that. Irrespective of that, the world has changed and will continue to change. Therefore governments need to adapt and develop new strategies and policies to deal with the current situation and keep ahead of the game..

[Peikko 1,575]

Purple said:

The only reason why most of you are interseted in this topic at all, is because you are sitting waiting in line and somehow think that if the illegals were to 'vanish in a puff of smoke' you would get pushed to the top of the queue, and another equally vacuous idea, that 'terrorism' would be elliminated from the US radar

THEY ARE ILEAGAL THEY are not in line! #######.

Ok, slightly out of wack, but my meaning was that there is a perception that the illegals lengthen the wait time for the legal process and there is huge resentment against illegal immigration because of the wait times of going through legitimate legal channels.

Sadly, as with most people of your persuasion, you entirely miss my point. Where world leaders to address the real issues which lead to mass migrations of peoples for economic/political reasons, then the necessity to protect one's borders would become mute.

Maybe if more people were interested in global solutions then these problems would diminish, but until then the US faces issues that cannot be waved away with such facile solutions as are so frequently proposed in relation to immigration, terrorism and illegal entry into the USA.

Global solutions... Hold on a second, the US's borders have nothing to do with the world.. It is their right to protect their borders as is and should be the right of any country..

So should they leave the borders open so anyone can simply walk into the country. What about terrorists and other bad apples? An open illegal immigration policy applies to all groups of people, not just the poor and hungry. Terrorists probably have already and will continue to walk across the border and enter the US through Mexico.. That is what concerns me.. That should be a number one priority..

How many other countries around the world have such large borders to cover??? Yet you speak as if the world has been there and done that. Irrespective of that, the world has changed and will continue to change. Therefore governments need to adapt and develop new strategies and policies to deal with the current situation and keep ahead of the game..

[mawilson 2,133]

However, what is true is that any legal resident, like myself, is affected by this law and quite honestly, I find it repugnant that in effect I can be hauled off, tortured and held indefinitely with no possible recourse. Does no one else find themselves in the same position and wonder what on earth is going on?

How in the world does he manage to push such garbage through Congress?

[Heracles 417]

This is another particularly vacous argument. Because I am from the UK means automatically that I represent the views that led to all the 'bad' things that have come out of the UK. Or the, if you don't like it hear go home argument. Come on, grow up!

Funny how you have no problem in judging the US and pretty much stating it is a capitalistic pig, who does not care about others.. You should seriously think about moving to France..

Personally I am all for a wall to protect the nation.. Once the nation's borders are protected, then and only then can the government proceed to develop a legal immigration plan to allow properly checked and identified Mexicans to live and work in the US..

[Peikko 1,575]

This is another particularly vacous argument. Because I am from the UK means automatically that I represent the views that led to all the 'bad' things that have come out of the UK. Or the, if you don't like it hear go home argument. Come on, grow up!

Funny how you have no problem in judging the US and pretty much stating it is a capitalistic pig, who does not care about others.. You should seriously think about moving to France..

Personally I am all for a wall to protect the nation.. Once the nation's borders are protected, then and only then can the government proceed to develop a legal immigration plan to allow properly checked and identified Mexicans to live and work in the US..

Entirely wrong, I do not presume to judge the US, or the American people, just the people who promote your type of narrow minded, nimbistic points of view.

Edited October 23, 2006 by Purple_Hibiscus

[Heracles 417]

Sadly, as with most people of your persuasion, you entirely miss my point. Where world leaders to address the real issues which lead to mass migrations of peoples for economic/political reasons, then the necessity to protect one's borders would become mute.

No I have not missed your point. I agree with allowing good and honest mexicans or anyone for that matter to live and work in the US but first the nation MUST secure it's borders. Then and only then can they proceed with a legitimate immigration policy for those people..

This 'anyone can walk in' immigration policy is what is destroying the middle class in the US.. How can one compete with an illegal immigrant who will work for $2 an hour. Therefore the American looses his job and falls further into poverty. While the upper class become richer by utilizing the cheaper labor.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Purple said:

The only reason why most of you are interseted in this topic at all, is because you are sitting waiting in line and somehow think that if the illegals were to 'vanish in a puff of smoke' you would get pushed to the top of the queue, and another equally vacuous idea, that 'terrorism' would be elliminated from the US radar

THEY ARE ILEAGAL THEY are not in line! #######.

Ok, slightly out of wack, but my meaning was that there is a perception that the illegals lengthen the wait time for the legal process and there is huge resentment against illegal immigration because of the wait times of going through legitimate legal channels.

Sadly, as with most people of your persuasion, you entirely miss my point. Where world leaders to address the real issues which lead to mass migrations of peoples for economic/political reasons, then the necessity to protect one's borders would become mute.

Lets PRETEND Hibiscus, Me and ten of my buddies open the gate to your front yard and begin a good ol game of badmitton, what you gonna do Hmmmmmmmmmmm let us play? or tell us to leave and get OFF your property! Im sure you would be running out there with a cold six pack asking if you could play!

[mawilson 2,133]

I thought this thread needed some flowers.

(It's a purple hibiscus, by the way. )

[Peikko 1,575]

However, what is true is that any legal resident, like myself, is affected by this law and quite honestly, I find it repugnant that in effect I can be hauled off, tortured and held indefinitely with no possible recourse. Does no one else find themselves in the same position and wonder what on earth is going on?

How in the world does he manage to push such garbage through Congress?

It would seem by promoting the idea that 'terrorism' is the biggest single threat to the US today and persuading the US people that the only recourse is to 'fight' this with undemocratic measures.

I do not believe the entire US population is bad, nor that all US policies are bad, but it seems to me that this is particularly bad legislation and the US population should be seriously worried about this. Not to mention the repercussions of such legislation. Can you imagine how other states are going to view this and what danger US citizens abroad could face?

[Carol&Marc 0]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

[Peikko 1,575]

Lets PRETEND Hibiscus, Me and ten of my buddies open the gate to your front yard and begin a good ol game of badmitton, what you gonna do Hmmmmmmmmmmm let us play? or tell us to leave and get OFF your property! Im sure you would be running out there with a cold six pack asking if you could play!

You can beat this drum all you like, the fact is if there was more thought put into resolving problems than closing doors the world would be a better place.

How about this, you and your buddies came along and start playing in my front yard and instead of my losing my temper and ordering you off my property, I ask you why you need to play there in the first place. Maybe then a more permanant solution might be reached.

Edited October 23, 2006 by Purple_Hibiscus