Pakistan disabled girl arrested for blasphemy

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I know Islam is not a religion of love and peace. I was joking

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You obviously don't know anything about Islam.

If you want to demonize an entire religion because of the actions of certain individuals, then your cute little graphic could apply equally to Christianity, or Judaism, or any faith.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

.. and there are people defending them? Or do the followers of that religion recognize the stupidity of the past and "evolve" ??

If you really believe that no so-called "followers" of Christianity (or Judaism or any other faith) try to defend co-religionists who commit atrocities, then you are living in denial.

There are plenty of Muslims who denounce atrocities committed by so-called Muslims, and if you removed the mote from your eye, you would know that.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=muslims+denounce+terrorism&oq=muslims+denounce+terrorism&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i5i30l3.103.4188.0.4452.26.22.0.4.4.0.322.2010.16j5j0j1.22.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.nKiQuNmFKRY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=ac26b312fb52f5b8&biw=1226&bih=667

Would you consider the Lord's Resistance Army or Eric Rudolph or Anders Breivik as the standard by which Christianity should be evaluated ? Or the Irgun or the JDL or Baruch Goldstein as the standard by which Judaism should be evaluated ?

They have their defenders... but I guess you think that's different...

[Boiler 45,519]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/05/pakistans-blasphemy-laws-colossal-absurdity?newsfeed=true

How to commit blasphemy in Pakistan

The country's blasphemy law is overwhelmingly being used to persecute religious minorities and settle personal vendettas. As the case of 14-year-old Christian Rimsha Masih gains global attention, why have politicians failed to act?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If you really believe that no so-called "followers" of Christianity (or Judaism or any other faith) try to defend co-religionists who commit atrocities, then you are living in denial.

There are plenty of Muslims who denounce atrocities committed by so-called Muslims, and if you removed the mote from your eye, you would know that.

http://www.google.co...iw=1226&bih=667

Would you consider the Lord's Resistance Army or Eric Rudolph or Anders Breivik as the standard by which Christianity should be evaluated ? Or the Irgun or the JDL or Baruch Goldstein as the standard by which Judaism should be evaluated ?

They have their defenders... but I guess you think that's different...

I consider them Christian nut jobs. However truth is that Islam has a very large large number of radical members within it's ranks. Look at the oppression in Saudi Arabia. Look at the head of the Iranian government who thinks his goal in life is to rush the return of the 12th Imam by blowing Israel off the map and triggering an Apocalypse. I know all about the origins of the Brotherhood Of Islam which is the grandaddy of Al-Qaeda. I now the tenants of many Islamic organizations are convert or kill.

I know quite well the oppression of Women and the brutal treatment of them in many many Islamic states. Islam a religion of Love and peace. Not hardly. Are there some good Muslims out there. I am sure they are, but when they stand up and become vocal enough to outweigh the majority who are not I will give it another look. Until then it is a racist misogynist dangerous religion that supports terrorism and oppression of woman around the globe. I wil laslo cavet that with saying, that if Chrstianity did not have government checks on it, you would probably see the same in many Christian nations.

In answer yo your Jew Christian question. Yes we have crazies also. Difference is that we have separation of church and state. We do not allow radical Christianity to make our laws. We vigorously investigate and prosecute any faith based radical organization that conspires to break the law. Lastly are radicals are pretty much universally hated and despised, many of yours are loved. Bin Laden was a like a rock star in many Islamic countries.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I consider them Christian nut jobs. However truth is that Islam has a very large large number of radical members within it's ranks. Look at the oppression in Saudi Arabia. Look at the head of the Iranian government who thinks his goal in life is to rush the return of the 12th Imam by blowing Israel off the map and triggering an Apocalypse. I know all about the origins of the Brotherhood Of Islam which is the grandaddy of Al-Qaeda. I now the tenants of many Islamic organizations are convert or kill.

I know quite well the oppression of Women and the brutal treatment of them in many many Islamic states. Islam a religion of Love and peace. Not hardly. Are there some good Muslims out there. I am sure they are, but when they stand up and become vocal enough to outweigh the majority who are not I will give it another look. Until then it is a racist misogynist dangerous religion that supports terrorism and oppression of woman around the globe. I wil laslo cavet that with saying, that if Chrstianity did not have government checks on it, you would probably see the same in many Christian nations.

In answer yo your Jew Christian question. Yes we have crazies also. Difference is that we have separation of church and state. We do not allow radical Christianity to make our laws. We vigorously investigate and prosecute any faith based radical organization that conspires to break the law. Lastly are radicals are pretty much universally hated and despised, many of yours are loved. Bin Laden was a like a rock star in many Islamic countries.

As a caveat I will lays, that you being a Palestinian I can understand what has been done to your people. However having idiots like Arafat killing and murdering in the name of Palestine has not helped your cause.

I also question why you Palestine's are not more pissed at Jordan than Israel. They took most of your land.

[Confused 2 94]

The problem that most of you 'politically correct' bigots fail to admit (but know is true) is that those so called radical, islamist terrorists outnumber the 'peaceful, moderate muslims' by the millions. Also the moderate muslims never raise their voices against the radical ones as loudly as they do to defend their actions by calling them just a few individuals.

I am a hindu and openly denounce caste system and any inequality and injustice based on caste, color and creed. I also make my feelings known to people who still live in the 18th century and follow these customs. Do moderate muslims do the same with radicals??

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The problem that most of you 'politically correct' bigots fail to admit (but know is true) is that those so called radical, islamist terrorists outnumber the 'peaceful, moderate muslims' by the millions. Also the moderate muslims never raise their voices against the radical ones as loudly as they do to defend their actions by calling them just a few individuals.

I am a hindu and openly denounce caste system and any inequality and injustice based on caste, color and creed. I also make my feelings known to people who still live in the 18th century and follow these customs. Do moderate muslims do the same with radicals??

Amen confused. I consider myself of the Christian faith and I denounce those whop practice religious bigotry and hatred. Christianity was used to reenforce slavery, keep women suppressed, and now it is being used to persecute gays.

what Christianity is not used for is a world wide jihad against all non-believers and to support terrorism. Not in mass anyway, and not since the crusades.

Edited September 8, 2012 by Run Herschel Run

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/05/pakistans-blasphemy-laws-colossal-absurdity?newsfeed=true

How to commit blasphemy in Pakistan

The country's blasphemy law is overwhelmingly being used to persecute religious minorities and settle personal vendettas. As the case of 14-year-old Christian Rimsha Masih gains global attention, why have politicians failed to act?

As I already said several times, I don't agree with or support blasphemy laws - I think they should be struck down. They are not supported by Qur'an or by Hadith. They were actually introduced into Pakistani law in the 1980s by Zia ul-Haq (the U.S.-supported dictator.) Ul-Haq promoted extreme right-wing clergy and political parties to strengthen his dominance over the more moderate middle class, and even allowed them to establish many educational and health care facilities to relieve his government from having to fund so many of these institutions.

So the blasphemy laws in Pakistan have nothing to do with Islam, but (as your article mentions) rather with control, censorship, persecution and oppression - even to settle other disputes that have nothing to do with religion. They are also a means to distract the anger of the working class population from focusing on government corruption and ineffectiveness.

There have indeed been Pakistani politicians who have opposed blasphemy laws; several have been assassinated by mobs or militant terror groups, often those based out of the tribal areas in NWFP, some of whom are ideologically associated with the Taliban. (This is likely what dissuades some of the others who oppose blasphemy laws from speaking out.)

As far as the 14-year-old, she was arrested for her own safety - to protect her against mobs who threatened to burn her to death. So the Pakistani government (made up of, presumably, politicians) has not "failed to act" - it has come to her aid. She has now been released from jail on bail on the order of a Pakistani court, and (according to the Pakistani interior minister) has been taken into protective custody.

FAROOQ NAEEM/AFP/GETTY IMAGES - Rimsha Masih, a Christian girl accused of blasphemy, sits in helicopter after her release from jail in Rawalpindi on Sept. 8, 2012.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Under heavy security, a Christian girl accused of blasphemy was released from a Pakistani jail Saturday and flown by government helicopter to be reunited with her family three weeks after a mob threatened to set her on fire for allegedly desecrating the Koran.

The girl’s release, after a court granted her bail Friday, was the latest development in a case that has exposed the potential for abuse of the Muslim-majority nation’s anti-blasphemy laws. Critics say allegations are frequently concocted to persecute religious minorities and settle personal scores.

The girl, said to be 14, could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted. Judge Mohammad Azam Khan set her bail at 1 million rupees, or $10,500, a huge sum for most Pakistanis.

Human rights advocates and a coalition of prominent Muslim clerics have applauded Pakistan’s government for coming to the girl’s defense. Pakistan’s interior minister, Rehman Malik, all but pronounced the girl innocent. He said the accused never left her home on the day three weeks ago when a young man claimed that he saw her carrying burnt pages of the Koran in a trash bag in her village outside Islamabad.

Her defense team is pushing to have the case dismissed. Officials said the girl, who was detained in Rawalpindi’s Adiala high-security prison, would join her family at a safe, undisclosed location.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/christian-girl-accused-of-blasphemy-in-pakistan-is-released-on-bail/2012/09/08/2616744c-f9cb-11e1-a945-6cd36411d000_story.html

[sara..... 371]

Amen confused. I consider myself of the Christian faith and I denounce those whop practice religious bigotry and hatred. Christianity was used to reenforce slavery, keep women suppressed, and now it is being used to persecute gays.

what Christianity is not used for is a world wide jihad against all non-believers and to support terrorism. Not in mass anyway, and not since the crusades.

mmm right about that but isn't most of the ones here in the USA going into other countries (muslim) demanding that they live with Democratic government same as USA mostly christian? going to war with any other country under the pretense of giving them a better life that they have not asked us to do or looking for wmds that they dont have being done by mostly christians?

sara

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

If you really believe that no so-called "followers" of Christianity (or Judaism or any other faith) try to defend co-religionists who commit atrocities, then you are living in denial.

There are plenty of Muslims who denounce atrocities committed by so-called Muslims, and if you removed the mote from your eye, you would know that.

http://www.google.co...iw=1226&bih=667

Would you consider the Lord's Resistance Army or Eric Rudolph or Anders Breivik as the standard by which Christianity should be evaluated ? Or the Irgun or the JDL or Baruch Goldstein as the standard by which Judaism should be evaluated ?

They have their defenders... but I guess you think that's different...

I am not a Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. I beleive the Bible and the Quran are works of fiction and I don't find them any more valid that say the beliefs stated for Scientology. People are free to beleive as they wish.. I have within walking distance of my home a Baptist church, seven Mormon churches, two Catholic churches, and two non-denominational churches. My next-door neighbors are Jewish on one side and seventh-day Adventist on the other. I only know this due to a conversation at a neighborhood party - because other than the occasional missionary at my door people of other faiths leave me out of (what I believe are) their weird beliefs. I am free to not participate in their beliefs without fear or reprisal.

As an intelligent being I am able to look at the world and realize there are nations where this is not the case and that extremists can and do take control and shape the government and peoples day to day lives. I hope you can understand when I feel some interpretation when I see the main religion where I see this happening become more prevalent where I live. From my viewpoint those that are coming are not working hard to assure me that they want to be like the rest of my neighbors, instead they justify actions of the extremists.

Yes there are Christian nutjobs - too many of them. In this country they are mostly limited to trying to get the 10 commandments placed in government buildings, making sure the word "God" is not removed from the pledge-of-allegiance, and most damaging pushing creationism in school text books.. For the most part they and other religions are limited to the power that their followers choose to give them and they can walk away from that religion at any time. This was not always the case - Latin America certainly didn't become mostly Catholic because they suddenly saw the light... I don't judge on the distant pass, I can only judge how it is now.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I consider them Christian nut jobs.

Just as most Muslims consider the Taliban, al Qaeda etc. to be nut jobs, and denounce them.

However truth is that Islam has a very large large number of radical members within it's ranks.

What exactly constitutes "a very large large number" ? There are more than 2 billion Muslims in the world. Do you have any link on figures for what percentage are "radical" (actually, you mean "extremists") ? Correspondingly, do you have any figures on how many Christians or Jews are extremists, and what percentage they make up of those religions' respective followers ?

Look at the oppression in Saudi Arabia.

The fact that a particular country has oppression is not an indictment of the religion that the majority happen to follow, but rather an indictment of its government and leadership. Otherwise, how could there be such horrible oppression in Rwanda, or Uganda, or South Africa, where most people were Christians ?

In fact, most Muslims criticize the oppression in Saudi Arabia.

Look at the head of the Iranian government who thinks his goal in life is to rush the return of the 12th Imam by blowing Israel off the map and triggering an Apocalypse.

This falsehood has long been debunked, but continues a life of its own on the internet. Please post the quote where Ahmadinejad said anything about Iran "blowing Israel off the map and triggering an Apocalypse."

I must step out for a few, but will continue responding to the rest of your comments. BTW I appreciate your cordiality in this discussion.

Edited September 8, 2012 by wife_of_mahmoud

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The problem that most of you 'politically correct' bigots fail to admit (but know is true) is that those so called radical, islamist terrorists outnumber the 'peaceful, moderate muslims' by the millions. Also the moderate muslims never raise their voices against the radical ones as loudly as they do to defend their actions by calling them just a few individuals.

I am a hindu and openly denounce caste system and any inequality and injustice based on caste, color and creed. I also make my feelings known to people who still live in the 18th century and follow these customs. Do moderate muslims do the same with radicals??

As a Hindu, why haven't you stopped the oppression of Hindu women, families having to pay the groom's family to take their daughter as a bride so he can just murder her afterwards in the horror of bride burning? I never see Hindus speaking out against their own terrorists against their own people. You need to clean your own house before you criticize others.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Amen confused. I consider myself of the Christian faith and I denounce those whop practice religious bigotry and hatred. Christianity was used to reenforce slavery, keep women suppressed, and now it is being used to persecute gays.

what Christianity is not used for is a world wide jihad against all non-believers and to support terrorism. Not in mass anyway, and not since the crusades.

Every day I watch the Christians in this country become more powerful and more hateful, and yet you tell American Muslims to become more moderate. Practice what you preach.

[Confused 2 94]

Every day I watch the Christians in this country become more powerful and more hateful, and yet you tell American Muslims to become more moderate. Practice what you preach.

Everyday I see muslims move to different parts of the world and start demanding that the laws and the society change for them or they resort to force/terrorism. Once they are in majority, that place is changed into 'Islamic republic of blah di blah'. Christians, hindus, budhists, jews etc etc have problems in their society but they do not proclaiming Jihad against others who do not follow the same religion. You cannot compare anything to Islam for what it is doing and you cannot justify it any way no matter how much you blame the world. The truth is that Islam preaches difference and superiority of Islam and conversion by any means. There is no peace and tolerance. What cr@p you are talking about??

[Boiler 45,519]

This was a Law case, I would be hard pushed to think of non Islamic Countries which have a death due to Blasphemy law.