cenomar questions

[VirtualLee 12]

ok....please....I need educated. What is CEMAR? What is the purpose of CEMAR?

Certificate of No Marriage(CENOMAR) certifying that an applicant was never married.

Certificates of Marriage (CEMAR)- provide a chronological listing of all applicant's marriages.

- if got multiple list of marriage then it's a RED FLAG/NO VISA

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

Certificate of No Marriage(CENOMAR) certifying that an applicant was never married.

Certificates of Marriage (CEMAR)- provide a chronological listing of all applicant's marriages.

- if got multiple list of marriage then it's a RED FLAG/NO VISA

My wife is only married 1 time....too me only. Does she need to provide CEMAR?

[sparkygirl 6]

My wife is only married 1 time....too me only. Does she need to provide CEMAR?

YES she needs to provide CEMAR to prove that she's only married to you.

Multiple marriages WITHOUT the previous marriages dissolved by death or annulment means a bigamous marriage which will now cause the non issuance of a visa. Multiple marriages with previous marriages dissolved by death and or annulment is no problem.

Married applicants are asked to submit CEMAR to prove the existing marriage is valid. Single applicants are asked to submit CENOMAR to prove their singleness.

Edited August 19, 2012 by sparkygirl

[VirtualLee 12]

YES she needs to provide CEMAR to prove that she's only married to you.

Multiple marriages WITHOUT the previous marriages dissolved by death or annulment means a bigamous marriage which will now cause the non issuance of a visa. Multiple marriages with previous marriages dissolved by death and or annulment is no problem.

Married applicants are asked to submit CEMAR to prove the existing marriage is valid. Single applicants are asked to submit CENOMAR to prove their singleness.

:thumbs:

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

YES she needs to provide CEMAR to prove that she's only married to you.

Multiple marriages WITHOUT the previous marriages dissolved by death or annulment means a bigamous marriage which will now cause the non issuance of a visa. Multiple marriages with previous marriages dissolved by death and or annulment is no problem.

Married applicants are asked to submit CEMAR to prove the existing marriage is valid. Single applicants are asked to submit CENOMAR to prove their singleness.

How can we get a marriage certificate if she's married before? I think I need to start taking to some IR-1/CR-1 people who are finished to see if they provided CEMAR.

[VirtualLee 12]

How can we get a marriage certificate if she's married before? I think I need to start taking to some IR-1/CR-1 people who are finished to see if they provided CEMAR.

You can really never tell if your in the Philippines,..Example, if she got married in diff. province

here in the Philippines, then she will have multiple list of marriage in her CEMAR.

You can also search for old post about CEMAR for your reference.

here is one >>> CEMAR for VISA INTERVIEW

Edited August 19, 2012 by VirtualLee

[sparkygirl 6]

How can we get a marriage certificate if she's married before? I think I need to start taking to some IR-1/CR-1 people who are finished to see if they provided CEMAR.

I am an IR1 visa holder (issued may 10th of this year) and yes i was required to show my most recent cemar by the Filipino interviewer.

There are plenty of bigamous marriages in the Philippines. It is too easy to get married here even if the person is already married.

There are offices particularly in Metro Manila that officiate marriage ceremonies without even asking for a CENOMAR from both parties.

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

You can really never tell if your in the Philippines,..Example, if she got married in diff. province

here in the Philippines, then she will have multiple list of marriage in her CEMAR.

You can also search for old post about CEMAR for your reference.

here is one >>> CEMAR for VISA INTERVIEW

So what you are saying is the Philippine government is incompitent. We need multiple documents to prove that we have a valid marriage.

The Philippine government will issue us a valid NSO marriage certificate even though our marriage is not valid.

[VirtualLee 12]

So what you are saying is the Philippine government is incompitent. We need multiple documents to prove that we have a valid marriage.

The Philippine government will issue us a valid NSO marriage certificate even though our marriage is not valid.

Yes, that's why she needs a CEMAR as a proof that your wifey is solely married to you.. and only you.

just happened that my friends are lawyers and I tend to see some cases like this. multiple marriage.

Edited August 19, 2012 by VirtualLee

[sparkygirl 6]

So what you are saying is the Philippine government is incompitent. We need multiple documents to prove that we have a valid marriage.

The Philippine government will issue us a valid NSO marriage certificate even though our marriage is not valid.

NSO has no power to stop ppl from getting married, neither does the local civil registrar. The local civil registrar's functions when it comes to the issuance of marriage licenses and marriage certificates is purely ministerial.

The Philippine Government has no power on its own to cause or initiate a court proceeding against bigamous marriages. It is only the party/offended spouse who can cause and prosecute the case.

The burden of proof in the validity of a marriage lies with the petitioner and applicant. Embassy's presumption is that the marriage is null. This is because the country is in a high fraud category. So if you want your visa be patient and comply

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

Yes, that's why she needs a CEMAR as a proof that your wifey is solely married to you.. and only you.

just happened that my friends are lawyers and I tend to see some cases like this. multiple marriage.

Nothing at the US embassy Manila wbsite says that a CEMAR is required documentation to apply for an immigrant Visa. It does require marriage certificate, but says nothing about CEMAR.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwh3217.html

[VirtualLee 12]

NSO has no power to stop ppl from getting married, neither does the local civil registrar. The local civil registrar's functions when it comes to the issuance of marriage licenses and marriage certificates is purely ministerial.

The Philippine Government has no power on its own to cause or initiate a court proceeding against bigamous marriages. It is only the party/offended spouse who can cause and prosecute the case.

The burden of proof in the validity of a marriage lies with the petitioner and applicant. Embassy's presumption is that the marriage is null. This is because the country is in a high fraud category. So if you want your visa be patient and comply

AGREE

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

NSO has no power to stop ppl from getting married, neither does the local civil registrar. The local civil registrar's functions when it comes to the issuance of marriage licenses and marriage certificates is purely ministerial.

The Philippine Government has no power on its own to cause or initiate a court proceeding against bigamous marriages. It is only the party/offended spouse who can cause and prosecute the case.

The burden of proof in the validity of a marriage lies with the petitioner and applicant. Embassy's presumption is that the marriage is null. This is because the country is in a high fraud category. So if you want your visa be patient and comply

This makes NO sense...!!! The government of the Philippines can not say we have a valid marriage...If a Marriage Certificate is not valid...then why is a CEMAR valid??????????????????

[VirtualLee 12]

Nothing at the US embassy Manila wbsite says that a CEMAR is required documentation to apply for an immigrant Visa. It does require marriage certificate, but says nothing about CEMAR.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwh3217.html

Here is a post way back 2010 >>> VISA Interview Checklist

[Thomas&Cleofe 358]

Here is a post way back 2010 >>> VISA Interview Checklist

I know this is going to upset many people....I love my wife so much...!!!

But the Philippine government sucks......Corrupt and Incompitent.

I need to provide 2 documents that say exactly the same thing....wow.

Ok...I will understand if my reply gets deleted...my head is just spinning now with so much disbelief and confusion.