Islamophoibia in the US

[JohnR! 5,495]

Just for the record. It's hard to coexists with people who want to convert you or kill you

I know what you mean. I had to co-exist with some of Jerry Falwell's followers and trust me, I carried my gun at all times. Those people will kill you in the name of Jesus... On a positive note, I do not indict all christians based on their highjacking of the faith. Doing so, would be as disingenuous and short-sighted as indicting all of Islam because of a few fundamentalists and bad apples amongst them.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I know what you mean. I had to co-exist with some of Jerry Falwell's followers and trust me, I carried my gun at all times. Those people will kill you in the name of Jesus... On a positive note, I do not indict all christians based on their highjacking of the faith. Doing so, would be as disingenuous and short-sighted as indicting all of Islam because of a few fundamentalists and bad apples amongst them.

Some truth to what you say, but I really don't think many of Jerry's followers would try to kill you. Maybe lick their lips at the thought of you burning in hell for doing what they pretend they don't do.

whole countries like Iran are run by RWNJ religious fanatics, who have a goal of blowing up Israel one day.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Some truth to what you say, but I really don't think many of Jerry's followers would try to kill you. Maybe lick their lips at the thought of you burning in hell for doing what they pretend they don't do.

whole countries like Iran are run by RWNJ religious fanatics, who have a goal of blowing up Israel one day.

Fortunately we live in a country like the US where nobody advocates the notion of blowing up Iran, preemptively.

[Que Saudade 284]

We are meaning-seeking creatures. Dogs, as far as we know, do not agonize about the canine condition, worry about the plight of dogs in other parts of the world, or try to see their lives from a different perspective. But human beings fall easily into despair, and from the very beginning we invented stories that enabled us to place our lives in a larger setting, that revealed an underlying pattern, and gave us a sense that, against all the depressing and chaotic evidence to the contrary, life had meaning and value.

Another peculiar characteristic of the human mind is the ability to have ideas and experiences that we can not explain rationally. We have imagination, a faculty that enables us to think of something that is not immediately present, and that, when we first conceive it, has no objective existence. The imagination is the faculty that produces religion. The imagination is the faculty that also creates unnecessary FEAR.

The OP's original question was.....

How do we deal with Islamaphobia? Can we add to Islamaphobia, Gayphobia, Christianphobia, Agnosticphobia, Racephobia etc......?

We deal with it by having open, honest, and intellectual conversations without having to prove our points over the other, which appears what this thread has turned into.

[Nasturtium 500]

I don't think Muslims and Jews recognize the idea of the trilogy. That is a notion specific to Christianity not shared by its sister religions.

Dammit. I think they're really missing out on a lot there-- the trilogy of the Rings is my favorite trilogy, although there is the Bourne trilogy and others which are pretty awesome.

[Nasturtium 500]

At least Judeism and Islam agree on the same god. It seems, as you point out, it may be the Christians who are worshiping a completely different god, one who believes the Torah and the New Testament not to be mutually exclusive in many instances.

Try asking Orthodox or frum Jews that. You may find they don't agree with your inclusive assessment.

[Nasturtium 500]

I've studied historical Judaism and historical Christianity. I am just showing you from the perspective of a Christian how a Christian views Jews and Muslims. I haven't remolded anything.

I take the Tanakh as the word of God. I've just applied a Christian interpretation to it. All of Christendom is based on this. It's not novel. It's not a view unique to me. It's a view the first Christians had (who were, by the way, Jews). This is not to say modern day Jews (non-Christian Jews) are not considered heretics by Christians. They are. Anyone who rejects the notion that Jesus is God in the flesh believes heresy. Heresy is a belief that if followed through to its logical end, would end up damning that specific person's soul.

We Christians understand that for now, the Jews' eyes (in general, not in totality) have been blinded so that they would not come to salvation. God has literally blocked the way for many of them for now. This is not to say that some Jews are not accpeted by God. Some come to Christ having the blinders lifted so that they have eyes to see and ears to hear. I don't know if there will come a time when the Jewish religion will officially declare Jesus as the Son of God, but it's not for me to know those things. I don't presume to know God's full plan for humanity. I just need to follow him. That's all I can do.

Thanks for the discussion. Christians should not be viewed as a different religion from Judaism. At least not from a Christian perspective. Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians are to be seen as adopted Jews. Grafted into the family of God (new Israelites) and saved by his Son Jesus in order to take part in the blessings that Israel was given because of their father Abraham. Jewish Christians see themselves as true Jews. Ones who have truly accepted their God and believe on Christ. Jews who do not accept Christ we view as cut off from God's people and are in error, until God breathes into them life and they believe.

Anyways, I'll leave you with the last word if you like.

Replacement theology and dual systems are heresy. And the plan, if you actually read the Bible, is fairly clear and obvious. It spells it out pretty clearly. It is only confusing if you follow a man-made form of doctrine and try to rectify your scripture to it.

you have some decidedly unorthodox ideas of mainstream Judaism's take on Jesus (pbuh), to say the least. i always find it fascinating when i see this crop up among certain Christians, this total re-molding of of another group of people's religious narrative.. it often coincides with little to no understanding of Islam whatsoever, and the condemnation of Muslims for their monotheism that is virtually in lockstep with that of mainstream Judaism. but only the Muslims are heretics, and it's totes different from 2000 years of mainstream Jewish rejection of all things Jesus (pbuh), all the time.

Whatever, you are just suffering from the jealousy you feel because you cannot believe in the Bourne trilogy.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Whatever, you are just suffering from the jealousy you feel because you cannot believe in the Bourne trilogy.

The awesomeness of Jason Bourne is an interfaith agreement. Things get stickier when you bring up LOTR, I lack all faith in being able to sit through it. The fact that it comes in triplicate?

Unbearable. I'm sorry!

[JohnR! 5,495]

Try asking Orthodox or frum Jews that. You may find they don't agree with your inclusive assessment.

And I disagree with theirs, so it's a wash.

[sara..... 371]

hello....topic Islamophoibia in the US.....not who's religion is correct if we as Muslims went into one of the threads that is basically christian's and tried to flout our believes in why Christianity is flawed how long would we last? Please give the same consideration when addressing topics that address Islam

just my opinion

sara

Edited August 16, 2012 by sara.....

[justashooter 430]

Rationale hardly ever works with extremists. Muslim extremists are no different than the garden variety christian extremists you find in the WBC, or through the voice of Jerry Falwell and his ilk. In both cases they only mock the faith they falsely claim to honor.

i would beg to differ. only rarely do we hear of a christian extremist committing acts of violence that are motivated by religious intolerance.

you can probably count the events of the last decade on one hand.

every day we hear stories of muslim extremists committing acts of violence that are motivated by religious intolerance. every day, by the dozens.

[JohnR! 5,495]

i would beg to differ. only rarely do we hear of a christian extremist committing acts of violence that are motivated by religious intolerance.

you can probably count the events of the last decade on one hand.

every day we hear stories of muslim extremists committing acts of violence that are motivated by religious intolerance. every day, by the dozens.

We agree to disagree. No harm done.

[justashooter 430]

We agree to disagree. No harm done.

do you deny the statistical evidence that i am prohibited from posting here, that anybody with google can't miss?

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do you deny the statistical evidence that i am prohibited from posting here, that anybody with google can't miss?

you know.. they are watching you dance around TOS. this shtick isn't going to work. you just can't suppress your hate.

[justashooter 430]

you know.. they are watching you dance around TOS. this shtick isn't going to work. you just can't suppress your hate.

no hate. just a need to represent the truth, which has been abandoned on this board.

the truth will set you free, if you let it.