Tensions flare in France over veil ban

[JohnR! 5,495]

And what was the real reason behing the ban?

I don't know what the reasons were but it really makes me chuckle when people here support the notion that the government should be able to dictate on the dress code.

[justashooter 430]

And you're still speaking gibberish. There's no need for me to accuse or deny anything, I have no personal interest in this other than pointing out what I see as blatant racism.

Seems the denial here is all on your side of the issue. You want to say racist things without being labelled a racist.

your sole defense when you are in over your head is to call someone "racist".

Oh howe are the myghtie ouerthrowen.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You were blatantly racist, just as you were yesterday with the comment about blacks.

There's nothing clever to be drawn from your words, racism is simply what it is.

You might be in denial about that and actually think you made some f'naw f'naw intellect argument. I'm sorry to say you haven't.

[justashooter 430]

I don't know what the reasons were but it really makes me chuckle when people here support the notion that the government should be able to dictate on the dress code.

the official reasons given by french govt at the time of the ban included women's civil liberties, national security, cultural division by perception, etc.

the long and short of it was that the gov't was losing control of certain areas of certain cities to fundamentalist sects that are associated with this tradition, and that many native french people were very concerned for their own personal safety, and the future of their country.

the ban created a mechanism by which the french people could be placated of their anger that their homeland was being taken over by "foreigners".

the gov't elected to attack a symbol, rather than the root of the problem.

[justashooter 430]

You were blatantly racist,

typical liberal.

thinks the world works according to his own laws and standards.

calls anybody who doesn't agree with him whatever the latest "nasty" word is to divert attention for the truth.

red herring technique commonly used by the morally/intellectually deficient.

what are you gonna call me next? a pedophile?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You seriously need to get over yourself. Nothing you said in either instance was 'truth' it was pure prejudice.

[JohnR! 5,495]

the official reasons given by french govt at the time of the ban included women's civil liberties, national security, cultural division by perception, etc.

the long and short of it was that the gov't was losing control of certain areas of certain cities to fundamentalist sects that are associated with this tradition, and that many native french people were very concerned for their own personal safety, and the future of their country.

the ban created a mechanism by which the french people could be placated of their anger that their homeland was being taken over by "foreigners".

the gov't elected to attack a symbol, rather than the root of the problem.

What makes it all the more alarming, because in the 1940's the Nazis used the very same rationale - and I use the word loosely here - to exterminate the jews from Europe.

[justashooter 430]

What makes it all the more alarming, because in the 1940's the Nazis used the very same rationale - and I use the word loosely here - to exterminate the jews from Europe.

jews didn't burn 300 french police cars on a typical friday night. jews didn't commonly gang rape white girls as young as 10-12 years of age. jews didn't assault and murder local people for coming into "their section" of town, or just for standing on a bus. jews didn't loot and steal from local stores not of their sect to the point where all non-sect stores have abandoned. jews didn't engage in violent aggression against police. jews didn't riot when their government welfare check failed to arrive (they never got any). muslims in france are doing these things every week, and have been doing these things for decades.

[JohnR! 5,495]

jews didn't burn 300 french police cars on a typical friday night. jews didn't commonly gang rape white girls as young as 10-12 years of age. jews didn't assault and murder local people for coming into "their section" of town, or just for standing on a bus. jews didn't loot and steal from local stores not of their sect to the point where all non-sect stores have abandoned. jews didn't engage in violent aggression against police. jews didn't riot when their government welfare check failed to arrive (they never got any). muslims in france are doing these things every week, and have been doing these things for decades.

As are French Christians.

Civil disobedience and crime are not exclusive of one particular religion, and in fact, not one single religion condones these types of actions. If what you describe were traces linked to Muslims alone, we would certainly be seeing the same occurrences in countries like Singapore, Malaysia, or even the USA.

Xenophobia and fascism, be it in Nazi Germany or modern France, are self serving, as are all the fruits of ignorance and prejudice.

Edited August 10, 2012 by Gegel

[tompiper 6]

jews didn't burn 300 french police cars on a typical friday night. jews didn't commonly gang rape white girls as young as 10-12 years of age. jews didn't assault and murder local people for coming into "their section" of town, or just for standing on a bus. jews didn't loot and steal from local stores not of their sect to the point where all non-sect stores have abandoned. jews didn't engage in violent aggression against police. jews didn't riot when their government welfare check failed to arrive (they never got any). muslims in france are doing these things every week, and have been doing these things for decades.

It's almost like a manifesto of the fanatic.

1. Immigrate to a sovereign nation that you very well know has a totally different ideology and culture to that of your own.

2. Make ZERO attempt to integrate within the culture or community; frown and sneer at their 'western ways'.

3. Burn city down when you are not given your way.

Who in their right mind migrates to a nation that does not share any of their underlying views and beliefs? I understand that there are plenty of moderate Muslims. However, someone covered from head to toe, who clearly will never accept the lifestyle of culture of the nation they choose to migrate to, has no place there. This is what nations like France are waking up to and consequently adjusting their laws accordingly.

[justashooter 430]

As are French Christians.

keep telling yourself that. the french police statistice read differently

Civil disobedience and crime are not exclusive of one particular religion, and in fact, not one single religion condones these types of actions. If what you describe were traces linked to Muslims alone, we would certainly be seeing the same occurrences in countries like Singapore, Malaysia, or even the USA.

Xenophobia and fascism, be it in Nazi Germany or modern France, are self serving, as are all the fruits of ignorance and prejudice.

they may be more common in certain groups. any uniform crime ststistics code

[JohnR! 5,495]

keep telling yourself that. the french police statistice read differently

Alas, I am not telling myself. As I recommended, get your hands on French newspapers and do the tally for yourself, as I did.

they may be more common in certain groups. any uniform crime ststistics code

They are not. If crime were associated with one particular religion, and if it responded to the shortsighted notion it is intrinsic to Islam, crime would be non-existent in the US; or France, the latter a predominantly christian nation.

[JohnR! 5,495]

you want to argue smaller points in the complex picture, so i'll distill it for you...

I don't wish to argue anything. In a public internet forum exchanging ideas is as good as it can get.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

Edited August 10, 2012 by Gegel

[rocks 494]

Alas, I am not telling myself. As I recommended, get your hands on French newspapers and do the tally for yourself, as I did.

I wonder if he has ever been to France, or better, lived there. Does he know anything about France at all other than what he reads on the internet?

[justashooter 430]

I don't wish to argue anything. In a public internet forum exchanging ideas is as good as it can get.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

so you can't even come up with a comment on my thesis?

giving up that easily?

yes, sadly, i have been to france. i liked germany better. china and korea were managable. india was chaos. south america is nice, especially chile. africa sucks, as i remember.

well i've never been to england,

but i've been to oklahoma.

they tell me i was born there,

but i really don't remember.

oklahoma,

not arizona.

what does it matter?