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[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Do the AK and the AR have the same power?

I believe the russian 7.62 is a more powerful round.

[rocks 494]

I believe the russian 7.62 is a more powerful round.

Is that enough to shoot through a wall?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Is that enough to shoot through a wall?

It would depend on the wall and the bullet. Almost all ammunition will go through residential walls made of dry wall. If the bullet is jacketed then the penetration is greater...a jacketed bullet is also less lethal to a human.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Sousuke

[rocks 494]

It would depend on the wall and the bullet. Almost all ammunition will go through residential walls made of dry wall.

I meant a brick wall, sorry. I'm pretty sure an AK can shoot through a brick wall?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I meant a brick wall, sorry. I'm pretty sure an AK can shoot through a brick wall?

It doesn't look like it would. They tested it on a mockup and it didn't fully penetrate.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/general_firearms_discussion/145187-range_report_penetration_testing_of_residential_brick_walls_pic_heavy.html

[rocks 494]

It doesn't look like it would. They tested it on a mockup and it didn't fully penetrate.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/general_firearms_discussion/145187-range_report_penetration_testing_of_residential_brick_walls_pic_heavy.html

He destroys a wall in this video.

There is some swearing in the next video.

That is one shot, imagine what the 100 bullet magazine can do.

Edited August 8, 2012 by rocks

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

He destroys a wall in this video.

There is some swearing in the next video.

That is one shot, imagine what the 100 bullet magazine can do.

I can't open videos at the moment, but did they actually make a wall mockup or did they just stack the CMU? If they just stacked it, its not really a wall, they would need to fill the cmu with mortar first.

[rocks 494]

I can't open videos at the moment, but did they actually make a wall mockup or did they just stack the CMU? If they just stacked it, its not really a wall, they would need to fill the cmu with mortar first.

That doesn't bare any relevance on whether the bullet penetrates the brick.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That doesn't bare any relevance on whether the bullet penetrates the brick.

Well I think they mocked up the internals between two layers of brick. Also brick is solid, CMU walls are about 1.5" thick with an air gap. You fill that gap with mortar, like you would with a wall and you have a solid 8" concrete mass.

Does your second video show brick?

Edited August 8, 2012 by Sousuke

[rocks 494]

Well I think they mocked up the internals between two layers of brick. Also brick is solid, CMU walls are about 1.5" thick with an air gap. You fill that gap with mortar, like you would with a wall and you have a solid 8" concrete mass.

Does your second video show brick?

Here's another video (with swearing) destroying a red brick.

No one needs a gun that can shoot through bricks, regardless of mortar. If it can do that imagine what that can do to a person, which is the reason people claim to need these weapons.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Here's another video (with swearing) destroying a red brick.

No one needs a gun that can shoot through bricks, regardless of mortar. If it can do that imagine what that can do to a person, which is the reason people claim to need these weapons.

It kind of seems like the goal posts were moved here. I thought we were talking about brick walls here, not individual building materials all by themselves.

[Ban Hammer 13,135]

any firearm, when repeatedly fired at the same spot on a brick wall, will eventually penetrate the wall.

even an air rifle (not classified as a firearm) can do it, although it may take years....

[rocks 494]

any firearm, when repeatedly fired at the same spot on a brick wall, will eventually penetrate the wall.

even an air rifle (not classified as a firearm) can do it, although it may take years....

One shot is not repeatedly firing.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

One shot is not repeatedly firing.

Based on what i've seen you'd need more than an 7.62 to go through a brick or CMU Wall. Even the larger 7.62x54 can't quite do it.

[Ban Hammer 13,135]

One shot is not repeatedly firing.

where is one shot mentioned?

Based on what i've seen you'd need more than an 7.62 to go through a brick or CMU Wall. Even the larger 7.62x54 can't quite do it.

specialized full copper bullets might for that caliber and similar calibers, but who's gonna buy those?