Another hate-crime that didn't happen

[Danno 1,228]

MAN WHO CLAIMS HE WAS ASSAULTED FOR BEING GAY MAY HAVE ACTUALLY INJURED HIMSELF

A man claiming to be the victim of an anti-gay assault outside a bar in Missoula, Mont., may have actually caused his own injuries. New video obtained by the police supposedly shows the 22-year-old trying to do a backflip from a street curb and landing on his face:

This is what local media outlets reported immediately following the alleged assault:

The beating of a gay man outside the Missoula Club, where he’d gone to celebrate his 22nd birthday, early Sunday morning has spurred renewed calls to add sexual orientation to bias crimes laws in Montana.

[…]

The man indicated to police he was assaulted because of his sexual orientation, Missoula Police Lt. Scott Brodie said Monday.

The man told police he’d asked people at the Mo Club about the location of a gay bar, when someone asked him to step outside for a cigarette, Brodie said.

But the man said that when he left the bar, someone hit him, and then two more people joined in, Brodie said. The incident happened at 1:30 a.m. Sunday and the man reported it to police at 4:30 a.m., after he got home, Brodie said.

Once the story broke and photos of the 22-year-old became available, the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community and its supporters were extremely upset. Some posted pictures of the alleged victim all over Facebook while others called for protests and protective legislation.

But then, you know, the backflip video emerged and it has kind of added a new element to the story.

“Until we finish the investigation, we won’t know the entire story, but it has certainly been a major development in the case,” said Missoula Police Chief Mark Muir, according to the Missoulian.

Still, the video is not conclusive evidence that the alleged victim’s story is made up [why do you think we keep saying “alleged”?] and it has yet to be verified whether the above video was recorded the night of the alleged [see?] assault.

“That’s why we’re not rushing to anything. There still needs to be an investigation,” Muir said.

The “Wipe Out Homophobia” Facebook page, however, took a more angry approach to news of the video: “Looks like we have all been had …”

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And?

Some people are asshats and fake injuries or inflict them upon themselves and lie.

What does this have to do with the actual victims of actual hate crimes?

Your thread title is kind of a slap in the face to those real victims. But it's unlikely you care.

[Danno 1,228]

And?

Some people are asshats and fake injuries or inflict them upon themselves and lie.

What does this have to do with the actual victims of actual hate crimes?

Your thread title is kind of a slap in the face to those real victims. But it's unlikely you care.

We see this same thing on a regular basis.

Not only does this guy prance around acting like he is a victim but he takes a non existent crime and uses it as a means to pass legislation.

Fact; Gays are most often bashed by fellow travelers. (to put it nicely)

Edited August 8, 2012 by Danno

[Penny Lane 8,159]

We see this same thing on a regular basis.

Not only does this guy prance around acting like he is a victim but he takes a non existent crime and uses it as a means to pass legislation.

Fact; Gays are most often bashed by fellow travelers. (to put is nicely)

Except there are plenty of men just like him who ARE victimized simply for being gay. It happens. All the time.

This one douchebag shouldn't take away from the fact that it's a real problem.

[Danno 1,228]

Except there are plenty of men just like him who ARE victimized simply for being gay. It happens. All the time.

This one douchebag shouldn't take away from the fact that it's a real problem.

Thats my point.. it's not a huge problem. People get there Azz kicked all the time especially around night-life.

Almost everyone of these cases are young men out hanging around places or area where this stuff happens all the time. So we focus on the few gays that end up in an altercation and make it out to be some crime wave.

Show me the cases where random gay guy are attacked at work or in the mall.

Put-up Sis.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Thats my point.. it's not a huge problem. People get there Azz kicked all the time especially around night-life.

Almost everyone of these cases are young men out hanging around places or area where this stuff happens all the time. So we focus on the few gays that end up in an altercation and make it out to be some crime wave.

Show me the cases where random gay guy are attacked at work or in the mall.

Put-up Sis.

If you want people to actually have an adult conversation with you, I suggest staying away from condescending name calling like "sis" ... really, it doesn't make anyone (myself included) feel like continuing the debate.

Why does it matter where the people are attacked? They shouldn't be attacked anywhere. At a club, at work, at the mall, at a gay pride parade, whatever. Why does the location matter so much to you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/anti-gay-hate-crimes-murders-national-coalition-of-anti-violence-programs_n_1564885.html

[justashooter 430]

Fact; Gays are most often bashed by fellow travelers. (to put it nicely)

you mean gays are bashed by communists?

yeah, i guess they traditionally have been.

[Danno 1,228]

If you want people to actually have an adult conversation with you, I suggest staying away from condescending name calling like "sis" ... really, it doesn't make anyone (myself included) feel like continuing the debate.

Why does it matter where the people are attacked? They shouldn't be attacked anywhere. At a club, at work, at the mall, at a gay pride parade, whatever. Why does the location matter so much to you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/anti-gay-hate-crimes-murders-national-coalition-of-anti-violence-programs_n_1564885.html

It actually does matter where confrontations happen, you assume it is bashing.

We have seen the rare story where a person is "targeted" for acting gay in public or whatever but when confrontations happen in environments where alcohol is the lubricant of social interaction, the motivations are much less clear or even decipherable.

SO a Homosexual gets in a fight the photos and tales of an injury "prove" it must be gay bashing.... as if a Gay guy is not capable of being a run of the mill bar-room ####-hat who instigates the confrontation.

The larger point is we have seen this same thing time and time again where these hate crimes turn out to be total fabrication.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Erm - this doesn't prove that homophobia is fictional. Don't act like it does.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

It actually does matter where confrontations happen, you assume it is bashing.

We have seen the rare story where a person is "targeted" for acting gay in public or whatever but when confrontations happen in environments where alcohol is the lubricant of social interaction, the motivations are much less clear or even decipherable.

SO a Homosexual gets in a fight the photos and tales of an injury "prove" it must be gay bashing.... as if a Gay guy is not capable of being a run of the mill bar-room ####-hat who instigates the confrontation.

The larger point is we have seen this same thing time and time again where these hate crimes turn out to be total fabrication.

And there are plenty of times where they aren't total fabrication.

I'm unsure as to what your point is. That every fight a gay man gets into isn't a hate crime? Agreed.

But some are, regardless of where the crime takes place.

[Danno 1,228]

And there are plenty of times where they aren't total fabrication.

I'm unsure as to what your point is. That every fight a gay man gets into isn't a hate crime? Agreed.

But some are, regardless of where the crime takes place.

On that we might agree after all there are well over 300 million people in the country, some people get struct by lightning too.

I'm simply suggesting I think the incidents of true unprovoked attacks are pretty rare.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

On that we might agree after all there are well over 300 million people in the country, some people get struct by lightning too.

I'm simply suggesting I think the incidents of true unprovoked attacks are pretty rare.

I think you're incorrect.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

On that we might agree after all there are well over 300 million people in the country, some people get struct by lightning too.

I'm simply suggesting I think the incidents of true unprovoked attacks are pretty rare.

Based on a random article that cropped up + your personal preconceptions.

I'm sorry, but you have no basis for this claim whatsoever. It's a complete fallacy.

[Danno 1,228]

Based on a random article that cropped up + your personal preconceptions.

I'm sorry, but you have no basis for this claim whatsoever. It's a complete fallacy.

Ahh, come on I expect more of you.

Failing to show basis does not mean something is a fallacy.

Just because a wife doesn't prove her husband is cheating on her does not mean it's not true.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

If you assault someone you should go to prison. If the person is gay...go to prison. If he is not gay...go to prison. Any questions?

I do no tfavor laws which discriminate against people based on sexual orientation and I do not want to be discriminated against because I am heterosexual. Equal punishment for equal crime.