Don't sour on idea of ‘corn sugar'

[james&olya 1,121]

You should take your own advice. You are listening to people with an ax to grind against HFCS. All sugar in excess is bad for you. Cane sugar and HFCS are just the same thing derived from different sources. The ratio of fructose to sucrose differs a bit but chemically they are the same.

And there you go with the Fox News bit. Whats up with that? Is it supposed to be some sort of an insult? I get my news from dozens of different places, some left and some right.

You seem to only want to insult and not discuss. Why is that? Do you find your ability to debate so limited?

Yes, all 'sugar' in excess is bad for you. But cane sugar (sucrose) is NOT the same thing chemically as HFCS! Fructose is far worse for the body than glucose. Fructose is metabolized by the body to preferentially go to fat and visceral fat in particular. You need to do more reading!

Is methanol an isomer of ethanol? I think not.

And HFCS is NOT an isomer of sucrose!

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Yes, all 'sugar' in excess is bad for you. But cane sugar (sucrose) is NOT the same thing chemically as HFCS! Fructose is far worse for the body than glucose. Fructose is metabolized by the body to preferentially go to fat and visceral fat in particular. You need to do more reading!

So that means we shouldn't be eating this?

The sugar in fruit is fructose! You need to understand what you are talking about!

[sandinista! 1,816]

Honey too! Big, bad, evil honey.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Honey too! Big, bad, evil honey.

Yeah, some people will never really understand. But demagoguery trumps truth every time.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

So that means we shouldn't be eating this?

The sugar in fruit is fructose! You need to understand what you are talking about!

excess fruit can be bad for you..

but let's play another comparison. HFCS made from "corn syrup" --- Look at the calorie content/nutritional value of corn. You'll understand very quickly how people get fat eating the garbage.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

excess fruit can be bad for you..

Ah, now fruit is bad for you. I see.....

but let's play another comparison. HFCS made from "corn syrup" --- Look at the calorie content/nutritional value of corn. You'll understand very quickly how people get fat eating the garbage.

Yeah, corn is a really bad thing. Good thing we don't grow much of it in America.

Edited August 8, 2012 by JohnSmith2007

[james&olya 1,121]

The sugar in fruit is fructose! You need to understand what you are talking about!

I do. You very obviously don't!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The sugar in fruit is fructose! You I need to understand what you are I am talking about!

Fixed that for you and yes, you do need to understand what you're talking about. The sugar in fruits is fructose, glucose and sucrose in varying mixes. Apples and pears have a roughly 2 to 1 fructose/glucose ratio, grapes, bananas and pineapple contain about equal parts of free fructose and free glucose and peaches, apricots and plums have a more free glucose than fructose. Measured as a portion of total sugars contained in the fruit, there is almost no sucrose in figs, grapes and plums while sucrose accounts for more than half of the sugars in peaches, apricots and pineapples.

The most interesting fact, however, is that no fruit and no vegetable on earth contains HFCS. Actually, nothing in nature does.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Ah, now fruit is bad for you. I see.....

Yes, it is, in excess, like already stated. Eating too much fruit IS bad for you.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

This has been an interesting exercise in the dynamics of VJ. I really don't care one way or another about HFCS, I only posted it as a reaction to a friend of mines statement here at the office. You may have noticed I haven't posted a topic in quite a while. My office mate was looking over my shoulder as I was trolling the forums the other day and asked about VJ. I told him about the site and mentioned to him that I haven't posted in a while. He asked why. I said that any discussion can spin out of control for any reason and it gets tiresome. He said show me. So I picked a story to post, one that is just a doctor stating his opinion on a subject that really means very little. I knew that I needed to stay away from GW, religion or gun control because those subjects insured an argument. I wanted one that would show my friend that even the most trivial subject gets spun out of all semblance of normal adult discussion.

Now, I admit that once things got going I participated in kind. When someone posted a reasonable comment I responded in a reasonable way. When faced with a hysterical comment I reacted in kind. I must say that you all didn't disappoint! I got reactions that were worthy of discussions about abortions or the death penalty. All over sugar. Really, its only sugar.

Well, my friend now sees why I don't post topics here anymore. There are some people here that only want to argue. Its a game for them. The subject does not matter, only that they make the discussion spin out of control in the shortest amount of time. Its a shame really, this place could be a lot of fun when you consider the wide range of nationalities and viewpoints here. But the usual suspects have taken over and reminded me once again why I stopped trying to bring up topics.

So, I am going to leave now. I am sure there will be several pages of poison aimed at me. There will be the "you were just as bad as everyone else" posts. I am cool with that. I will not respond nor will I even care what is said. I will ask that this thread be closed because it has served its purpose.

Thank you all for participating in my little experiment.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I didn't realize that people disagreeing with you is considered "out of control" .. interesting.

I do like the classic "I'm losing this argument, I'll just claim it was a social experiment" strategy, though. Haven't seen that one used in awhile.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Evylin

[Nina~ 431]

Thread closed per OP's request.