Don't sour on idea of ‘corn sugar'

[rocks 494]

and since when does "i don't think it necessarily makes you racist" mean i'm calling you a racist? i said i don't think you are, but that you don't have a good handle on relevant facts to this issue. which is true. you don't.

What you should have said was that it was a ridiculous suggestion, but instead you said "i don't think it necessarily makes you racist", which means you think I could be, not that you don't think I am.

You don't have a good handle on the facts, you didn't when I had the misfortune of encountering you in other threads either.

[sandinista! 1,816]

the breastfeeding thread you didn't have a clue in either? spectacular example, yes.

did you really not know malaria was eradicated here 70 years ago, and thought that anyone was saying it was a great idea to bring ddt back to america for it? seriously? and you think, despite these huge chasms of knowledge and understanding you've shown, that i'm the one without a good handle on facts here?

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Gas? Additives? Talk about being difficult. But let's do this: Why is the mixture different in the winter vs. the summer? If it's all the same and if ratios don't matter and have no effect, then why bother changing the mix?

May I remind you as to what you said:

Sucrose is sugar (50% fructose and 50% glucose), HFCS is not. Hence, it should not be called sugar.

HFCS and Cane sugar are both sugars. If you still deny that then you are being deliberately ignorant. You managed to deflect enough to get away from your original erroneous statement. I am reminding you of your incorrect statement.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Yep. People that make moonshine - if they're not careful, they'll end up with methanol and can die.

To the OP: consume all the sugar (fructose, HFCS, glucose) you want, but if you're over 45 and have a lot of belly fat, you're at very high risk for developing diabetes. In fact, you may already have it, but haven't been diagnosed. I'd recommend you go get a periodic checkup because uncontrolled diabetes can put you in a world of hurt.

To your first statement, you cannot get methanol from corn. You get methanol from wood fiber. Different thing altogether.

To your second statement. Yes, we agree 100%. To much sugar of any type is bad and is especially bad to older overweight people. This is why I don't drink soda and only use Stevia in my tea and coffee. The point here is this, there is no reason to demonize HFCS. It is bad, equally as bad as cane sugar. The problem isn't HFCS, it is the overuse of sugar in general. To much of either will cause bad physical consequences. The problem is that our pre-packaged oriented food supply is using HFCS in almost everything. If HFCS were banned and the industry used cane sugar in equal amounts in the very same products we as a nation would be no healthier. We would still be obese. The minor extra weight caused by the excess fructose that HFCS has isn't the problem, the problem is the abundance of sugar laden foods that we have become addicted to. We need to get back to home cooked meals rather than junk food and McDonalds. That is the problem.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Several posts by different individuals have been removed for TOS violations. You can disagree with the post but you are not allowed to insult the poster. Any further such posts will lead to thread bans

Haha in a corn syrup thread! Thats brilliant.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

To your first statement, you cannot get methanol from corn. You get methanol from wood fiber. Different thing altogether.

To your second statement. Yes, we agree 100%. To much sugar of any type is bad and is especially bad to older overweight people. This is why I don't drink soda and only use Stevia in my tea and coffee. The point here is this, there is no reason to demonize HFCS. It is bad, equally as bad as cane sugar. The problem isn't HFCS, it is the overuse of sugar in general. To much of either will cause bad physical consequences. The problem is that our pre-packaged oriented food supply is using HFCS in almost everything. If HFCS were banned and the industry used cane sugar in equal amounts in the very same products we as a nation would be no healthier. We would still be obese. The minor extra weight caused by the excess fructose that HFCS has isn't the problem, the problem is the abundance of sugar laden foods that we have become addicted to. We need to get back to home cooked meals rather than junk food and McDonalds. That is the problem.

How would you go about that I wonder... As I see it that's the tip of a very large iceberg... When major food processors command multi-billion marketing budgets and own, for example, highly lucrative contracts to provide (processed) school dinners to kids and what goes into vending machines.

You might be right that HFCS doesn't deserve the stigma it has gotten (but there needs to be more conclusive evidence than the word of this guy), but as an additive it is still surely a big part of the problem of excessive food processing in the food chain. HFCS is added to make low quality, nutritionally barren food taste better. Surely if sugar is bad, so is HFCS - why use any of it?

Edited August 7, 2012 by Martin Wellbourne

[catknit 144]

Don't sour on idea of ‘corn sugar'

Dr. Karen Teff, director of the Translational Research, Diabetes and Endocrinology Research Center at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, bluntly dismisses the research as "poorly designed and poorly controlled," and adds that it "does not prove or even suggest that HFCS is more likely to lead to obesity than sucrose."

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/sugar-355411-corn-hfcs.html

This has nothing to do with the topic other than I was in a few Dr. Teff's lectures in grad school. She seemed above board in class/lecturing and seemed to be scientifically sound....she'd call out bogus theories and research design as needed.

[kytwell 179]

Henry Miller isn't terrible, he contributed to this article My link

But I do agree with the posters concerning the dangers/potential harm of HFCS. The stuff is terrible. Try Mountain Dew and then try the Mountain Dew throwback(made with real cane sugar). You'd be amazed about the difference in taste...throwback much better tasting.

I too have cut out HFCS as much as I can, I saw it in breadcrumbs a few years back and said enough is enough. With more exercise and eliminating as much HFCS from my diet as possible; after 3years of eliminating it I am back down to the same weight I was after college, lost over 45lbs.

[Marilyn. 340]

I always try and buy no HFCS bread and I always buy Hunts no HFCS ketchup.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I always try and buy no HFCS bread and I always buy Hunts no HFCS ketchup.

I find it almost impossible to keep it out of my diet.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Henry Miller isn't terrible, he contributed to this article My link

But I do agree with the posters concerning the dangers/potential harm of HFCS. The stuff is terrible. Try Mountain Dew and then try the Mountain Dew throwback(made with real cane sugar). You'd be amazed about the difference in taste...throwback much better tasting.

I too have cut out HFCS as much as I can, I saw it in breadcrumbs a few years back and said enough is enough. With more exercise and eliminating as much HFCS from my diet as possible; after 3years of eliminating it I am back down to the same weight I was after college, lost over 45lbs.

Soda in general is terrible - bad for your teeth, your waistline, your digestive system. Hell the artificial caramel colouring they put in coke is carcinogenic.

I find it almost impossible to keep it out of my diet.

In the US it's very difficult - unless you only shop at an organic supermarket. You also have to be adept at reading food labels and looking out for the different names for things - most of these additives have half a dozen different names at least.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

How would you go about that I wonder... As I see it that's the tip of a very large iceberg... When major food processors command multi-billion marketing budgets and own, for example, highly lucrative contracts to provide (processed) school dinners to kids and what goes into vending machines.

You might be right that HFCS doesn't deserve the stigma it has gotten (but there needs to be more conclusive evidence than the word of this guy), but as an additive it is still surely a big part of the problem of excessive food processing in the food chain. HFCS is added to make low quality, nutritionally barren food taste better. Surely if sugar is bad, so is HFCS - why use any of it?

You might be surprised to see that I agree with you. It is going to be very hard to change the way we eat. I guess it comes down to proper parenting for our children, holding the school lunch program accountable and personal responsibility for adults. I find government regulations in regard to commercial products to be a very poor way of solving the problem. The way to change things is to only buy foods that have been minimally processed and demand more choices from manufactures. If a product doesn't make a company money then they will change it until they do make a profit. I for one deplore junk food (with the occasional exception of an once in a while burger) and eat mostly home cooked. I am lucky that both my wife and I are good cooks and we try to stay away from anything that is pre-packaged. I am overweight but not because I am a junk food junky, I just like my own cooking.

I guess my reason for this thread is not to champion HFCS but because I instinctively recoil at the PC mentality that has surrounded the whole subject. As with many other so called "scientific" reasons for the crusades for or against certain things most people just listen to the hype and jump on the bandwagon. We as a society no longer think for ourselves but listen to the popular media and follow along with no regard to the scientific, or lack of, reasons behind the latest popular fad. Today it is HFCS, yesterday it was salt and tomorrow who knows?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I always try and buy no HFCS bread and I always buy Hunts no HFCS ketchup.

Heinz makes one as well that I buy.

[Marilyn. 340]

Heinz makes one as well that I buy.

the Hunts one is cheaper then Heinz though.. I am all about the bargain.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

I stand behind my posts. They were not in violation of the TOS. They just struck to close to home for some people. I respectfully disagree with your removing them.

While you have a right to your opinion, you do not have the right to make personal attacks against other members. The posts of yours that were removed - and they weren't the only ones removed - contained personal attacks. Snide comments about other members do not address the issue under discussion and add nothing to your position.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Kathryn41