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:rofl: THE AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH :rofl:

The same folks who tell us that asbestos really isn't all that bad.

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The American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) describes itself as "a consumer education consortium concerned with issues related to food, nutrition, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, lifestyle, the environment and health."[1] It defends GM foods, industrial chemicals, pharmaceuticals, plastics and food additives. It attacks organic agriculture, media 'scares' and environmentalists who raise the alarm about chemicals.[2]

According to John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton, ACSH is "an industry front group that produces PR ammunition for the food processing and chemical industries".[3] ACSH attacks any criticisms of corporate products as not having "a sound scientific basis". It has received funds from food processing and beverage corporations including Burger King, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo, NutraSweet, Nestle USA as well as chemical, oil and pharmaceutical companies such as Monsanto, Dow USA, Exxon, Union Carbide and others.[4] ACSH stopped disclosing corporate donors in the early 1990s.[5]

ACSH was founded in 1978 by Elizabeth Whelan, who is still its president, and Frederick Stare.[6] Despite the industry funding of her group, Whelan is portrayed in the mass media as an independent scientist. Martin Donohoe noted in Z Magazine:

Dr. Whelan claims that ACSH accepts funding from corporations “as long as no strings are attached.” However, in 1982, ACSH filed a friend-of-the-court brief in a lawsuit brought by the Formaldehyde Institute. The brief was paid for by Georgia-Pacific Co., a leading manufacturer of formaldehyde and a member of the Formaldehyde Institute. Georgia-Pacific paid its Washington law firm $40,000 to write the brief, which ACSH then submitted under its name. Formaldehyde has been classified as a human carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer and as a probable human carcinogen by the EPA.[7]

Founders, Trustees and Advisors

ACSH trustees and founders include:[9]

Henry I. Miller of the Hoover Institution, "who campaigned on behalf of fat substitute Olestra"[10]

Norman Borlaug of Texas A&M University, well known supporter of GM crops.

Thomas DeGregori of the University of Houston, well known supporter of GM crops.

Alan Moghissi, "a former Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official who had served on a panel to challenge the EPA’s policy requiring asbestos removal from schools and other public buildings".[11]

Albert Nickel, from the PR firm Lyons Lavey Nickel Swift, whose motto is “We change perceptions”[12]

Lorraine Thelian, a senior partner at PR firm Ketchum Communications, whose clients include Dow Chemical, the Aspirin Foundation of America, Bristol Myers Squibb, and the National Pharmaceutical Council.[13]

ACSH advisors include Dennis Avery of the Hudson Institute who has also contributed to the many ACSH articles promoting GM and denigrating organic food.[14]

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So your willing to trade the small increase in the possible weak link between DDT and breast cancer for the millions of Africans that die of malaria?

Mighty nice of you.

BTW, Fox news has nothing to do with any of this. Why do you keep bringing it up? How do you know I even watch Fox? It seems you are fixated on Fox. You might want to see a Dr about that.

actually, the legislative director of Greenpeace's toxics campaign and world wildlife fund's senior fellow in the toxics campaign agree with you. nicholas kristof, that old conservative, does too--

I called the World Wildlife Fund, thinking I would get a fight. But Richard Liroff, its expert on toxins, said he could accept the use of DDT when necessary in anti-malaria programs.

"South Africa was right to use DDT," he said. "If the alternatives to DDT aren't working, as they weren't in South Africa, geez, you've got to use it. In South Africa it prevented tens of thousands of malaria cases and saved lots of lives."

At Greenpeace, Rick Hind noted reasons to be wary of DDT, but added: "If there's nothing else and it's going to save lives, we're all for it. Nobody's dogmatic about it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/08/opinion/8kristof.html

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Really? Archer Daniels Midland isn't funding the Hoover Institute?

Funding

The Hoover Institution is funded by multiple sources. It receives nearly half of its funding from private gifts, including corporate charitable foundations, and the other half from its endowment.[22]

Past corporate donors have included:

Archer Daniels Midland Foundation

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Sugar is the generalised name for a class of sweet-flavored substances used as food. They are carbohydrates and as this name implies, are composed of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. There are various types of sugar derived from different sources. Simple sugars are called monosaccharides and include glucose, fructose and galactose. The table or granulated sugar most customarily used as food is sucrose, a disaccharide. Other disaccharides include maltose and lactose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar

A basic chemistry class would be in order for you if you don't think HFCS isn't sugar.

I see. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen = carbohydrate = sugar. Got it.

How about this here sugar?

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The Hoover Institution is funded by multiple sources. It receives nearly half of its funding from private gifts, including corporate charitable foundations, and the other half from its endowment.[22]

Past corporate donors have included:

Archer Daniels Midland Foundation

I know. So much for there not being any link between this guy and the corn industry.

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Really? Archer Daniels Midland isn't funding the Hoover Institute?

So if there is any link at all that disqualifies anything the guy has to say? I will remember that on the next discussion about GW. You still haven't shown any link between the author and the corn industry. Show me the money that he got.

I see. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen = carbohydrate = sugar. Got it.

How about this here sugar?

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Your point? You said HFCS isn't sugar. Clearly it is. Thanks for agreeing with me.

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So if there is any link at all that disqualifies anything the guy has to say? I will remember that on the next discussion about GW. You still haven't shown any link between the author and the corn industry. Show me the money that he got.

It has already been provided. Maybe if you actually listened to people instead of spouting abusive garbage, you might learn something.

Funding

The Hoover Institution is funded by multiple sources. It receives nearly half of its funding from private gifts, including corporate charitable foundations, and the other half from its endowment.[22]

Past corporate donors have included:

Archer Daniels Midland Foundation

Next you're going to say you don't know who ADM is. :rofl:

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And apparently I'm racist because of this! Yes, caring about facts, cancer victims and wildlife makes you a racist! Beware. :rofl:

i don't think it necessarily makes you racist, but when it comes to a good handle of the relevant facts regarding ddt and the scourge of malaria, there are some fact gaps, yes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_ddt03.htm

http://www.fightingmalaria.org/article.aspx?id=796

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It has already been provided. Maybe if you actually listened to people instead of spouting abusive garbage, you might learn something.

Next you're going to say you don't know who ADM is. :rofl:

It hasn't. The author belongs to the Hoover institute. One of the contributors is ADM. That means nothing. Are you saying there is a direct link to this doctors opinion and ADM? Prove it. Where did he profit from his connection?

Oh, and I do know who ADM is. I can see one of their plants from my office window.

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Corn sugar just doesn't taste as good and it's in EVERYTHING! I can't stand it :(

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Your point? You said HFCS isn't sugar. Clearly it is. Thanks for agreeing with me.

I haven't agreed with you. The "sugar" I introduced there is the kind that you shouldn't ingest if you still want to drive. It's against the law. The point being that the composition of the corbon, hydrogen and oxygen makes all the difference. You see, ethanol and methanol are very similar. One only gets you drunk, the other makes you blind.

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