Should ICE agent be disciplined for arrest?

[JohnR! 5,495]

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When do we say enough is enough and stop illegal immigration?

When Congress decides to rewrite our immigration laws. I can promise you it will not happen in the next five weeks though.

[Harsh_77 718]

When Congress decides to rewrite our immigration laws. I can promise you it will not happen in the next five weeks though.

Is there a law that states release the illegal immigrant coz my supervisor is saying?

Not having enough laws is not the problem....there are enough laws in place already.

ICE agent getting punished to do his job... congress does not need to rewrite the laws for that.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Is there a law that states release the illegal immigrant coz my supervisor is saying?

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You need no law for that. You follow the chain of command.

[Harsh_77 718]

You need no law for that. You follow the chain of command.

Chain of Command does not mean the superior can violate the laws.

Should the supervisor who was giving an absurd order and violating the law be punished instead of the agent.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Chain of Command does not mean the superior can violate the laws.

Should the supervisor who was giving an absurd order and violating the law be punished instead of the agent.

Can you actually cite the text of the laws that were violated? Obviously it is a rhetorical question, because we don't even know who the persons involved are. The copy does not mention their names.

We have an alleged violation, the alleged perpetrator of which is unknown.

Sounds fair and balanced to me!

[Harsh_77 718]

Can you actually cite the text of the laws that were violated? Obviously it is a rhetorical question, because we don't even know who the persons involved are. The copy does not mention their names.

We have an alleged violation, the alleged perpetrator of which is unknown.

Sounds fair and balanced to me!

The law that was violated was when they accepted the job they took the oath to uphold the constitution and laws of the land.

One of the law or part of the duty for an Ice agent is to book illegal immigrant and bring them to court.

Now when officer is trying to do exactly the same and supervising officer coming and ordering officer to let illegal does not sound right.

Instead the supervising officer threatens the officer with action and punishment would be obstruction of investigation, which would be illegal.

[JohnR! 5,495]

The law that was violated was when they accepted the job they took the oath to uphold the constitution and laws of the land.

One of the law or part of the duty for an Ice agent is to book illegal immigrant and bring them to court.

Now when officer is trying to do exactly the same and supervising officer coming and ordering officer to let illegal does not sound right.

Instead the supervising officer threatens the officer with action and punishment would be obstruction of investigation, which would be illegal.

As I said, the question was rhetorical because you can't cite precisely what law was violated, no more that anyone can, because all we have a snippet from a copy which is hearsay in the first place. QED.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

1. In which case his driving record has nothing to do with it. His violations being in admissible in court. Knee jerk reaction from Fox trying to make news where none exists.

2. USCIS does not have jurisdiction on traffic violations, so much so, this person was not arrested for a traffic violation.

3/4. The Xth Amendment begs to disagree.

For the benefit and edification of all, can you cite the ligslation of which you speak, by which the POTUS nullified constitutionally passed laws [sic] which instructed this officer not to arrest this man on immigration charges?

Does anyone know if Sessions is working or on vacation for five weeks with the rest of Congress?????

His driving record is very pertinent because when they did the background check he had a long history. His violations are very admissible in court as they are part of his record., but the point is they were not trying to arrest him they were trying to deport him because he was here illegally. HE IS ILLEGAL THAT IS A CRIME THEY WERE TRYING TO EXERCISE THE LAW

I don't have to look it up. If there was not a law passed by congress saying he could not be here, then he would not be an illegal would he ?? Basic logic. entering this country without prior authorization is illegal. Why don't you google me up a law that says it's not ? Our Legeslative branch choose not to pass the dream act. Obama instituted it anyway. Our executive branch can not just make legislation happen that congress did not happen.

So where do you get that ICE agents can't make traffic stops. Border agents do all the time. There are all kind of lawsuits by the ACLU against ICE for profiling on traffic stops.

Obama telling them not to detain illegals, would be the same as him ordering the DEA not to arrest drug traffickers. He can not decide which laws he chooses to follow and which he does not.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You need no law for that. You follow the chain of command.

well that is where it gets tricky. The officer is following the law, but disobeying an order. That is a real gray area. As much as I agree the illegal should be deported, I have got to side with the supervisor, if that was his directive from above. Police officers use discretion all the time. It is the most powerful tool in the criminal justice system. They were on a stakeout waiting on a super felon to show up. They got this guy by accident. The supervisor told him to release him. The supervisor might have had other motives. unkown to the offcier, and his failure to comply could have endangered lives.

The officer should have complied, then maybe filed a federal lawsuit. ICE offciers should deport all illegals but they can't choose which orders to follow when in the field. They need to address that thru administrative or court procedures. Going renegade in a tactical environment can get people killed.

Of course if given a very very illegal order, such as Lt. Calley was in Nam... Then you better be damn sure your right.

[JohnR! 5,495]

So where do you get that ICE agents can't make traffic stops. .

The X Amendmend.

[JohnR! 5,495]

well that is where it gets tricky. The officer is following the law, but disobeying an order. That is a real gray area. As much as I agree the illegal should be deported, I have got to side with the supervisor, if that was his directive from above. Police officers use discretion all the time. It is the most powerful tool in the criminal justice system. They were on a stakeout waiting on a super felon to show up. They got this guy by accident. The supervisor told him to release him. The supervisor might have had other motives. unkown to the offcier, and his failure to comply could have endangered lives.

The officer should have complied, then maybe filed a federal lawsuit. ICE offciers should deport all illegals but they can't choose which orders to follow when in the field. They need to address that thru administrative or court procedures. Going renegade in a tactical environment can get people killed.

Of course if given a very very illegal order, such as Lt. Calley was in Nam... Then you better be damn sure your right.

That is a fair assessment. The snippet from Fox is incomplete and slanted. Unless there is a full investigation all we can do is what Fox did -speculate and assume.

Meanwhile, Sessions is on vacation, for five whole weeks....

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The. X amend stops border agents from making traffic stops lol Oh do tell

[X Factor 1,112]

Anything from speeding to red lights. If you or I had 10 we'd have our licenses taken away. Of course this man probably doesn't have one to take away....

Yep we would be sent to jail in a heart beat.

[MyLittlePony 340]

I be in jail the most bad grammar and awful spelling.

[X Factor 1,112]

I be in jail the most bad grammar and awful spelling.

This is if you don't use your spell checker