"Getting a Reprieve: Young Illegal Immigrants

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

It was the second line that confused me.

I'm talking about the article. It says she was 4 and her brother was 2 when they came here. They are 21 and 20. They have citizen siblings who were born here, and so therefore are younger than them. If the oldest was 4 and she is 21 now, what is highest age the oldest citizen child could be would be? What about the other younger child(ren)?

Anywhere from 1 to 17 roughly.

[rocks 494]

Anywhere from 1 to 17 roughly.

Right, so they would still be children. Those are the ones I feel need to be protected. The older ones can fend for themselves, even though I don't agree with them being separated from their family, the minors cannot.

Edit: my English is way off today.

Edited August 3, 2012 by rocks

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Right, so they would still be children. Those are the ones I feel need to be protected. The older ones can fend for themselves, even though I don't agree with them being separated from their family, the minors cannot.

Edit: my English is way off today.

Then we start to get into what age does someone acclimate to a location. Arguably if the children are very young there shouldn't be an issue with their return home to their parents country, or alternative they live with their adult siblings. It depends on individual situations as to which is best.

[rocks 494]

Then we start to get into what age does someone acclimate to a location. Arguably if the children are very young there shouldn't be an issue with their return home to their parents country, or alternative they live with their adult siblings. It depends on individual situations as to which is best.

I think you're confused. The two people from the article have lived in this country since 4 and 2. They don't remember the country they were born in. The younger children are citizens, they don't come from their parents country. Why should they move there? Are you going to pay for the visa required for them to live there? They are citizens of America...

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I think you're confused. The two people from the article have lived in this country since 4 and 2. They don't remember the country they were born in. The younger children are citizens, they don't come from their parents country. Why should they move there? Are you going to pay for the visa required for them to live there? They are citizens of America...

They are also likely citizens of their parent's country.

[rocks 494]

They are also likely citizens of their parent's country.

Not necessarily, you are assuming. The point is, they were born here and are American citizens. They have lived here all their life, why should they leave? Are you saying American citizens have no rights to live in their own country? Again, this sounds like the Theresa May fascist plan.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Not necessarily, you are assuming. The point is, they were born here and are American citizens. They have lived here all their life, why should they leave? Are you saying American citizens have no rights to live in their own country? Again, this sounds like the Theresa May fascist plan.

I'm not assuming - they are from Guatemala where one parent must be a citizen to gain citizenship there.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Right, so they would still be children. Those are the ones I feel need to be protected. The older ones can fend for themselves, even though I don't agree with them being separated from their family, the minors cannot.

That still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The older ones have to stick around until their younger siblings are 18? Why? My dad left home when he was 18. I guess he shouldn't have because his younger sister - 12 at the time - was now separated from him? How about my dad's older brothers and sisters? Most of them left both my dad and his younger sister behind when they went out on his own at age 18? In fact, my father's oldest brother had left the parental home before his youngest sister was even born.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Mr. Big Dog

[rocks 494]

I'm not assuming - they are from Guatemala where one parent must be a citizen to gain citizenship there.

Not necessarily, you are assuming. The point is, they were born here and are American citizens. They have lived here all their life, why should they leave? Are you saying American citizens have no rights to live in their own country? Again, this sounds like the Theresa May fascist plan.

That still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The older ones have to stick around until their younger siblings are 18? Why? My dad left home when he was 18. I guess he shouldn't have because his younger sister - 12 at the time - was now separated from him? How about my dad's older brothers and sisters? Most of them left both my dad and his younger sister behind when they went out on his own at age 18? In fact, my fathers oldest brother had left the parental home before his youngest sister was even born.

There's a difference between leaving home at 18, and your siblings being deported and possibly never being able to see them again due to a lifetime ban.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Sure they have the legal right. Do not confuse legal rights with ability however.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Sousuke

[rocks 494]

Sure they have the legal right. Do not confuse legal rights with ability however.

Americans don't have the right to live in their own country?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Americans don't have the right to live in their own country?

Who said that?

[natty bumppo 297]

In the context of this discussion consider parents and kids living in the US together. It is separation at that level. It would be breaking up that group.

the op referenced "children" 20 and 21 years old. that is also context as adult children and parents should someone (the parents maybe) being sent to the home country. the family unit would be separated by country boarders.

now off to read the rest of the posts ....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There's a difference between leaving home at 18, and your siblings being deported and possibly never being able to see them again due to a lifetime ban.

The American born children would be banned from visiting their siblings in Guatemala? Why?

[rocks 494]

The American born children would be banned from visiting their siblings in Guatemala? Why?

I think its completely fair for the children, but the GC for the parents? How did they get those? It would be interesting to create a a DREAM act that required the parents to turn themselves in for the sake of the children.

So the parents should return to their home country, with children who are citizens of America, to a country they know nothing about? Or the citizen children can stay here with no parents and go into the care system?

This sounds like the Theresa May plan.

When they turn 18, the parents would have to return home so that the child gets a GC. (Like say 18-24)

I'm responding to this. You must have missed this part.