Danno went to Chick-Fil-A

[Teddy B 17,252]

Heh. That's exactly what I'm saying. You're jumping to an incredible conclusion, that because there's not some kind of uproar, then everything must be just fine and dandy for gay employees of CFA. I'm saying that you might very well end up being right, but you can't make that kind of a statement based on a *lack* of evidence.

And as a rational thinker, you should realize that you can't draw a *positive* conclusion from a lack of evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

Maybe we should just make some up then?

[웃 910]

With all the hubbub don't you thing that if there was discrimination it wouldn't be all over the networks? There would be massive protests and calls for lawsuits. Just because a local news station found "a couple of corporate" employees who says the opposite means nothing. Anyone can find "a couple" of people in any business that will claim anything.

From Forbes, 2007.

The Cult of Chick-fil-A

Emily Schmall 07.23.07

Chick-fil-A tries to recruit and retain loyalists like Yadkowski, who is so devoted to the company and its founder that he named his son Samuel (Cathy's first name). The privately held chain--with $2.3 billion in systemwide sales last year from 1,300 franchised stores in the U.S.--is best known for chicken-breast sandwiches that inspire fans to camp out so they are first in line when a new restaurant opens.

Cathy, 86, credits the company's success to 975 franchisees and 600 employees who are unusually dedicated in an industry known for grumpy operators and high turnover among hourly workers. The turnover among Chick-fil-A operators is a low 5% a year. Among hourly workers turnover is 60%, compared with 107% for the industry. "We tell applicants, 'If you don't intend to be here for life, you needn't apply,'" says Cathy, who opened his first restaurant in 1946.

That's not the only company mandate. Chick-fil-A's corporate mission, as stated on a plaque at company headquarters (and by Cathy), is to "glorify God." It is the only national fast-food chain that closes on Sunday so operators can go to church and spend time with their families; franchisees who don't go along with the rule risk having their contracts terminated. Company meetings and retreats include prayers, and the company encourages franchisees to market their restaurants through church groups. Howe Rice, a franchisee in Glen Allen, Va., hosts a Bible study group in one of his two Chick-fil-A restaurants every Tuesday. He offers a free breakfast to all who attend. "You don't have to be a Christian to work at Chick-fil-A, but we ask you to base your business on biblical principles because they work," says Cathy.

Chick-fil-A is run by Cathy and his sons Dan T., chief operating officer, and Donald (a.k.a. Bubba), a senior vice president. They screen prospective operators for their loyalty, wholesome values and willingness to buy into Chick-fil-A's in-your-face Christian credo, espoused often by Cathy, an evangelical Southern Baptist who says "the Lord has never spoken to me, but I feel Chick-fil-A has been His gift."

Loyalty to the company isn't the only thing that matters to Cathy, who wants married workers, believing they are more industrious and productive. One in three company operators have attended Christian-based relationship-building retreats through WinShape at Berry College in Mount Berry, Ga. The programs include classes on conflict resolution and communication. Family members of prospective operators--children, even--are frequently interviewed so Cathy and his family can learn more about job candidates and their relationships at home. "If a man can't manage his own life, he can't manage a business," says Cathy, who says he would probably fire an employee or terminate an operator who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."

The parent company asks people who apply for an operator license to disclose marital status, number of dependents and involvement in "community, civic, social, church and/or professional organizations."

Is it legal? There are no federal laws that prohibit companies from asking nosy questions about religion and marital status during interviews. Most companies don't because it can open them up to discrimination claims, says James Ryan, a spokesman for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Chick-fil-A has more freedom to ask whatever it wants of franchisees because they are independent contractors and not necessarily subject to federal employment discrimination laws. (Employees, however, may sue under those laws.)

Chick-fil-A, the corporate parent, has been sued at least 12 times since 1988 on charges of employment discrimination, according to records in U.S. District Courts. Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn't participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000. The suit was settled on undisclosed terms.

The company might face more suits if it didn't screen potential hires and operators so carefully. Many Chick-fil-A job candidates must endure a yearlong vetting process that includes dozens of interviews. Ty Yokum, the training manager for the chain, sat through 7 interviews and didn't get the job. He reapplied in 1991 and was subjected to another 17 interviews--the final one lasted five hours--and was hired. Bureon Ledbetter, Chick-fil-A's general counsel, says the company works hard to select people like Yokum, who "fit." "We want operators who support the values here," Ledbetter says.

Those who do say they like the member-of-the-club feel that goes along with working with Chick-fil-A. "It is very difficult to get in, but once you're in, you're in for life," says Donald Elam, a Chick-fil-A franchisee in Superstition Springs, Ariz.: "I tell all my people, 'I'm not working for Chick-fil-A; I'm working for the Lord.'"

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html

Edited August 2, 2012 by ☠

[mox 298]

Maybe we should just make some up then?

That's fine, as long as you properly source Conservapedia.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

"I tell all my people, 'I'm not working for Chick-fil-A; I'm working for the Lord.'

Ohhhh boy.

[TracyTN 237]

The boycotts pro or con are not the biggest issue to most. To most it is elected Govt officials trying use their power as elected officials to shut down the restaurants. There are many like me, who generally support gay rights, who are fervently supporting Chick-fil-A, because of free speech issues.

I really don't get this part of the discussion. A mayor can say what he wants until he's blue in the face, but if the codes, laws and city ordinances in place don't uphold what he is suggesting, there's little he can do to keep CFA out of his city. Unless the city council votes to change those codes and ordinances, it's nothing but a lot of hot air.

If by chance the council did change the rules, those same councilpersons could find themselves run out of office if the people they represent don't agree with changes they make.

Just as that same blowhard mayor may find himself out of a job after the next election.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Chick-fil-A, the corporate parent, has been sued at least 12 times since 1988 on charges of employment discrimination, according to records in U.S. District Courts.

So? Name me a large, nation wide company that hasn't been sued? For a company as big as this to only have 12 suits over 24 years is remarkable. This sounds like a huge affirmation of this companies inclusion and even handedness. You just don't like it that they make no secret of their Christian moral base.

[mox 298]

I really don't get this part of the discussion. A mayor can say what he wants until he's blue in the face, but if the codes, laws and city ordinances in place don't uphold what he is suggesting, there's little he can do to keep CFA out of his city. Unless the city council votes to change those codes and ordinances, it's nothing but a lot of hot air.

If by chance the council did change the rules, those same councilpersons could find themselves run out of office if the people they represent don't agree with changes they make.

Just as that same blowhard mayor may find himself out of a job after the next election.

Exactly.

Interesting that when a Democratic elected official uses the bully pulpit (and not legislation) to condemn bad behavior, it's decried as an abuse of power. But when Republican officials actively legislated against women's health clinics being run by planned parenthood because of their own religious convictions, well that was just fine and dandy.

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Exactly.

Interesting that when a Democratic elected official uses the bully pulpit (and not legislation) to condemn bad behavior, it's decried as an abuse of power. But when Republican officials actively legislated against women's health clinics being run by planned parenthood because of their own religious convictions, well that was just fine and dandy.

Abortion is murder. Chick-Fil-A is practically worship.

[mox 298]

Birth control is not murder. Pap smears are not murder. Rape kits are not murder. Having your blood pressure checked is not murder. Ovarian cancer screenings are not murder. Breast cancer screenings are not murder. These are just some of the services provided by planned parenthood.

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Birth control is not murder. Pap smears are not murder. Rape kits are not murder. Having your blood pressure checked is not murder. Ovarian cancer screenings are not murder. Breast cancer screenings are not murder. These are just some of the services provided by planned parenthood.

All gateway procedures to abortion.

[mox 298]

Well, true.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Col. Sanders loves the gheys

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Col. Sanders loves the gheys

I saw Col. Sanders in Montreal back in the 70's. Trust me, he was gay, flaming gay, too gay even for the French Canadien's.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

From Forbes, 2007.

The Cult of Chick-fil-A

Emily Schmall 07.23.07

Chick-fil-A tries to recruit and retain loyalists like Yadkowski, who is so devoted to the company and its founder that he named his son Samuel (Cathy's first name). The privately held chain--with $2.3 billion in systemwide sales last year from 1,300 franchised stores in the U.S.--is best known for chicken-breast sandwiches that inspire fans to camp out so they are first in line when a new restaurant opens.

Cathy, 86, credits the company's success to 975 franchisees and 600 employees who are unusually dedicated in an industry known for grumpy operators and high turnover among hourly workers. The turnover among Chick-fil-A operators is a low 5% a year. Among hourly workers turnover is 60%, compared with 107% for the industry. "We tell applicants, 'If you don't intend to be here for life, you needn't apply,'" says Cathy, who opened his first restaurant in 1946.

That's not the only company mandate. Chick-fil-A's corporate mission, as stated on a plaque at company headquarters (and by Cathy), is to "glorify God." It is the only national fast-food chain that closes on Sunday so operators can go to church and spend time with their families; franchisees who don't go along with the rule risk having their contracts terminated. Company meetings and retreats include prayers, and the company encourages franchisees to market their restaurants through church groups. Howe Rice, a franchisee in Glen Allen, Va., hosts a Bible study group in one of his two Chick-fil-A restaurants every Tuesday. He offers a free breakfast to all who attend. "You don't have to be a Christian to work at Chick-fil-A, but we ask you to base your business on biblical principles because they work," says Cathy.

Chick-fil-A is run by Cathy and his sons Dan T., chief operating officer, and Donald (a.k.a. Bubba), a senior vice president. They screen prospective operators for their loyalty, wholesome values and willingness to buy into Chick-fil-A's in-your-face Christian credo, espoused often by Cathy, an evangelical Southern Baptist who says "the Lord has never spoken to me, but I feel Chick-fil-A has been His gift."

Loyalty to the company isn't the only thing that matters to Cathy, who wants married workers, believing they are more industrious and productive. One in three company operators have attended Christian-based relationship-building retreats through WinShape at Berry College in Mount Berry, Ga. The programs include classes on conflict resolution and communication. Family members of prospective operators--children, even--are frequently interviewed so Cathy and his family can learn more about job candidates and their relationships at home. "If a man can't manage his own life, he can't manage a business," says Cathy, who says he would probably fire an employee or terminate an operator who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."

The parent company asks people who apply for an operator license to disclose marital status, number of dependents and involvement in "community, civic, social, church and/or professional organizations."

Is it legal? There are no federal laws that prohibit companies from asking nosy questions about religion and marital status during interviews. Most companies don't because it can open them up to discrimination claims, says James Ryan, a spokesman for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Chick-fil-A has more freedom to ask whatever it wants of franchisees because they are independent contractors and not necessarily subject to federal employment discrimination laws. (Employees, however, may sue under those laws.)

Chick-fil-A, the corporate parent, has been sued at least 12 times since 1988 on charges of employment discrimination, according to records in U.S. District Courts. Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn't participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000. The suit was settled on undisclosed terms.

The company might face more suits if it didn't screen potential hires and operators so carefully. Many Chick-fil-A job candidates must endure a yearlong vetting process that includes dozens of interviews. Ty Yokum, the training manager for the chain, sat through 7 interviews and didn't get the job. He reapplied in 1991 and was subjected to another 17 interviews--the final one lasted five hours--and was hired. Bureon Ledbetter, Chick-fil-A's general counsel, says the company works hard to select people like Yokum, who "fit." "We want operators who support the values here," Ledbetter says.

Those who do say they like the member-of-the-club feel that goes along with working with Chick-fil-A. "It is very difficult to get in, but once you're in, you're in for life," says Donald Elam, a Chick-fil-A franchisee in Superstition Springs, Ariz.: "I tell all my people, 'I'm not working for Chick-fil-A; I'm working for the Lord.'"

http://www.forbes.co...7/0723/080.html

They have been sued 12 times in 24 years for discrimination. That's surely impressive. I bet other big chains have a way higher rate.

[웃 910]

They have been sued 12 times in 24 years for discrimination. That's surely impressive. I bet other big chains have a way higher rate.

Get out a calculator and check your math. The article was published in 2007. Why are you adding 5 years?