Mayor Bloomberg's infant formula plan aimed at promoting breast-feeding in NYC hospitals

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

All this stuff about drugs is irrelevant. The fact that breastfeeding can help prevent cancer in women, reduce infant deaths and many more things is far more relevant.

I already said it wouldn't happen. Your point is stupid.

Ah so there is no chance of a drug addicted mother breast feeding her child. Well that's good to know. However Kennard posted otherwise with that article and I bet if I did a google search there would be many such similar articles to the one Kennard posted.

[Ban Hammer 13,590]

So your saying that it's not a big deal if a drug addicted mother breast feeds her baby correct?

I already said it wouldn't happen. Your point is stupid.

post #13 by kennard indicates it does happen.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Here's just one of many examples I found on the net.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/wellness/babies/story/2011-11-13/Doctors-see-surge-in-newborns-hooked-on-mothers-pain-pills/51186076/1

Doctors see surge in newborns hooked on mothers' pain pills

Medical authorities are witnessing explosive growth in the number of newborn babies hooked on prescription painkillers, innocent victims of their mothers' addictions

The trend reflects how deeply rooted abuse of powerful narcotics, such as OxyContin and Vicodin, has become. Prescription drug abuse is the nation's fastest-growing drug problem, classified as an epidemic by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[rocks 494]

Here's just one of many examples I found on the net.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/wellness/babies/story/2011-11-13/Doctors-see-surge-in-newborns-hooked-on-mothers-pain-pills/51186076/1

Doctors see surge in newborns hooked on mothers' pain pills

Medical authorities are witnessing explosive growth in the number of newborn babies hooked on prescription painkillers, innocent victims of their mothers' addictions

The trend reflects how deeply rooted abuse of powerful narcotics, such as OxyContin and Vicodin, has become. Prescription drug abuse is the nation's fastest-growing drug problem, classified as an epidemic by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

A few people are drug addicts. How many women die of cancer?

You can try and push this all you want but it is totally unfounded and irrelevant.

post #13 by kennard indicates it does happen.

This wouldn't be enforced by the hospital, obviously... What a ridiculous thing to say.

[sandinista! 1,816]

The presence or availability of formula is not what makes or breaks long term breast feeding. Breast feeding unfortunately is just not economically feasible for a large number of women who need to be earning income in the hours required to be spent breast feeding. This ridiculous policy does nothing to address the real blockages when it comes to long term breast feeding, and simply creates more paperwork for OB nurses having to sign out freaking Similac like it's Percocet. I'd rather that time be spent on actual patient care than formula paperwork, but what the hell do I know.

[rocks 494]

The presence or availability of formula is not what makes or breaks long term breast feeding. Breast feeding unfortunately is just not economically feasible for a large number of women who need to be earning income in the hours required to be spent breast feeding. This ridiculous policy does nothing to address the real blockages when it comes to long term breast feeding, and simply creates more paperwork for OB nurses having to sign out freaking Similac like it's Percocet. I'd rather that time be spent on actual patient care than formula paperwork, but what the hell do I know.

That's why WIC will give you a breast pump if you are returning to work... Anyone who doesn't qualify for WIC can buy their own.

There wouldn't be much, or any paperwork for most, as women would be breastfeeding. Less women and children would suffer illnesses related to formula feeding. The benefits far outweigh your complaint about signing out formula. The government is predicting 226,870 new cases in women for breast cancer this year, and 39,510 deaths. Link

Formula is thrown at women at every stage of pregnancy, formula companies send you boxes of it, doctors give out leaflets and coupons for it. The hospital will use it too. This needs to stop.

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Wait, wait, wait.

We're linking formula to cancer?

Have studies been presented to substantiate this or are we merely fear mongering?

[rocks 494]

Wait, wait, wait.

We're linking formula to cancer?

Have studies been presented to substantiate this or are we merely fear mongering?

No, go back and read...

Edit: Post #11

Edited July 31, 2012 by rocks

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I wonder how many of these babies will be breast feeding from drug addicted mothers.

Breast feeding in general is better than formula, but factors like that have to be taken into account. Some painkillers do end up in the milk. Also, some women just don't produce enough. My daughter was born small and spent two weeks in NICU and we had to supplement her with formula. Doing everything we could to make sure she caught up in her growth was simply more important than reducing my wifes breast cancer risk (she agreed). She did breast feed but when you supplement with formula it just doesn't last as long. Something about the cry of hunger that makes the glands produce more. That wasn't an option for us. We got lots of free formula from the doctors office and the hospital. And of course we paid for a whole lot too. Overall it worked out well. I would hate to think I'd have to go through more paperwork just to get formula while she was in NICU for two weeks. That would have been difficult. I had enough problems during that time with nurse incompetence and bad attitudes.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Habitual Offender

[rocks 494]

Breast feeding in general is better than formula, but factors like that have to be taken into account. Some painkillers do end up in the milk. Also, some women just don't produce enough. My daughter was born small and spent two weeks in NICU and we had to supplement her with formula. Doing everything we could to make sure she caught up in her growth was simply more important than reducing my wifes breast cancer risk (she agreed). She did breast feed but when you supplement with formula it just doesn't last as long. Something about the cry of hunger that makes the glands produce more. That wasn't an option for us. We got lots of free formula from the doctors office and the hospital. And of course we paid for a whole lot too. Overall it worked out well. I would hate to think I'd have to go through more paperwork just to get formula while she was in NICU for two weeks. That would have been difficult. I had enough problems during that time with nurse incompetence and bad attitudes.

Is this your story?

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Is this your story?

It's not a story.

[rocks 494]

It's not a story.

Do you have any actual experience with children and breastfeeding?

It seems you don't or you would understand that women are in the hospital for about 2 days, assuming that everything goes well with the birth. This is the time frame we are talking about, not the entire length of breastfeeding.

Please only comment on subjects you have knowledge of.

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It seems you don't or you would understand that women are in the hospital for about 2 days, assuming that everything goes well with the birth.

I was talking about the birth of my daughter and her stay in the NICU. Do you even read? It's all right there.

[rocks 494]

I was talking about the birth of my daughter and her stay in the NICU. Do you even read? It's all right there.

Did you read the article? Obviously not, surprise surprise. You should try it sometime, you might learn something. It clearly outlined that women who don't produce enough milk would not be deprived of formula. What it would do is encourage those who make no attempt at breastfeeding to try it. Even if it saves one woman from breast or ovarian cancer or saves a child from diabetes, it is worth it.

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It clearly outlined that women who don't produce enough milk would not be deprived of formula.

No, but there would be additional bureaucracy involved. I do remember the two weeks my daughter was in NICU and that was the absolute last thing I needed.. more forms to fill. The nurses had their problems but getting formula when she needed it was easy-peasy. Just how it should be.