Ammo Bill Proposed

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

i can also envision a run on wheel weights in parking lots and depletion of fishing weights, solder, and other sources of casting materials.

It is already hard to find lead period in California. Brass anything is outrageously priced for sale in the state. The feds will not be far behind in passing lead content rules. Anything that can leach into the watershed, or end up in drinking water, can be regulated.

[Harsh_77 718]

aka: backdoor registration.

the gov't would have the firearm "class" based on ammo type and who may own the firearm. the data may not be 100% accurate though it would be close

and i'm sure the gov't would keep that information safe and secure so joe citizen or any other entity doesn't have access to who may own what type of firearm

heck ...even the non savory types wouldn't want access to all that boring data ... it would be too much of a bother knowing which homes have guns ...

i can also envision a run on wheel weights in parking lots and depletion of fishing weights, solder, and other sources of casting materials.

The point in discussion is not if the data is boring or the data is going to be safe or not…. The point it govt does not need to have that data.

Govt should not be telling you Mr.XYZ you purchased allocated limit of ammo this month and you cannot go shooting or hunting this month.

Some lawmaker wants to have a law that you can only purchase 500 rounds or 1000 rounds that is stupid.

Govt already know how many weapons, type or caliber are there at any particular address... when one makes a purchase they have to provide residential address.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Harsh_77

[natty bumppo 297]

The point in discussion is not if the data is boring or the data is going to be safe or not…. The point it govt does not need to have that data.

Govt should not be telling you Mr.XYZ you purchased allocated limit of ammo this month and you cannot go shooting or hunting this month.

Some lawmaker wants to have a law that you can only purchase 500 rounds or 1000 rounds that is stupid.

Govt already know how many weapons, type or caliber are there at any particular address... when one makes a purchase they have to provide residential address.

agreed on the points.

the data will not be secure (this is the gov't we're talking about), hence anyone within the .gov can access the location and contents of your home and provide such to the highest bidder.

also the gov't has no business telling me how to use my ammo or how much to use so long as it's used in a lawful manner.

the gov't does not know all the qty and types of firearms at home addresses. many transactions are decades old (some prior to GCA 1968 or were private transfers)

[slim 1,525]

when one makes a purchase they have to provide residential address.

When they make a purchase from a licensed seller. What most folks don't realize is that information is not entered into a database of any sort. It's kept as a bill of sale at the sellers location and only for two years, at that. When the background check goes through the FBI's system it's not archived.

However, in most states, it's perfectly legal to buy from unlicensed sellers within one's own state. That's what's so silly about these laws and procedures. "If you buy from this guy, we have to do a background check and record the transaction. If you buy from that guy, nothing is required at all."

It's interesting to note that almost all the shooters in the "mass murders" the last few years obtained their guns and ammo legally. Are we to assume they wouldn't jump through any new hoops created? I keep hearing the whole, "Well, more laws will help screen out the crazies." ORLY? Like showing an ID will stop it? Slowing down their purchases will stop it?

Eventually they make the jump from legal to illegal when they decide to murder folks. Murder isn't going to get "more illegal" anytime soon so until we can figure that out, the guns and ammo are irrelevant.

[rocks 494]

the gov't does not know all the qty and types of firearms at home addresses. many transactions are decades old (some prior to GCA 1968 or were private transfers)

When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. A private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are “same-State” residents.

I could sell all my guns to a friend and the government would have no idea.

[MyLittlePony 340]

This is the right step into losing guns rights. I hope the ATF will raid the usa of guns.

[PMartin37 161]

I quoted that in a previous thread, it went over their heads.

I caught it right away and said so! It was from one of his standup routines as I recall..from Comedy Central I think? Anyway, it was hilarious...he hit on a few political topics but of course the best jokes were about women

[MyLittlePony 340]

Why in the need of butt loads of ammo anyways?

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

Why in the need of butt loads of ammo anyways?

how much is a butt load of ammo, in your opinion?

[DaveE 178]

I keep hearing talk about why you "need" this, or "justify" that. I own firearms, and I need to keep them fed. My wife and I go through about 1000 rounds of 5.56 ammo per month, and more .22lr than that.

It struck me as interesting though when recently a Federal judge found Marylands Concealed Carry Permit law as unconstitutional. In Maryland you had to prove you "needed" to carry a firearm, and "justify" it in your application.

A Federal judge threw the law out declaring it unconstitutional. In the decision he made what to me is a profound statement: "A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights," Legg wrote. "The right's existence is all the reason he needs".

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I keep hearing talk about why you "need" this, or "justify" that. I own firearms, and I need to keep them fed. My wife and I go through about 1000 rounds of 5.56 ammo per month, and more .22lr than that.

The Effect of Obsessions on Depressive Psychosis

[natty bumppo 297]

The Effect of Obsessions on Depressive Psychosis

guess 50+ years ago people didn't obsess so much with tv and trying to experience life vicariously through tv / reality shows

[DaveE 178]

The Effect of Obsessions on Depressive Psychosis

Ahhh - A VJ diagnosis, it's worth about what it cost.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I keep hearing talk about why you "need" this, or "justify" that. I own firearms, and I need to keep them fed. My wife and I go through about 1000 rounds of 5.56 ammo per month, and more .22lr than that.

It struck me as interesting though when recently a Federal judge found Marylands Concealed Carry Permit law as unconstitutional. In Maryland you had to prove you "needed" to carry a firearm, and "justify" it in your application.

A Federal judge threw the law out declaring it unconstitutional. In the decision he made what to me is a profound statement: "A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights," Legg wrote. "The right's existence is all the reason he needs".

I think eventually all conceal carry laws will fall in line with must issue. In addition to the idea above, may issue states and counties often seem to descriminate ....ie. if you contribute heavily to your sheriff's campaign they may issue you a license. Everyone else is out of luck.

Edited August 1, 2012 by Sousuke

[natty bumppo 297]

I think eventually all conceal carry laws will fall in line with must issue. In addition to the idea above, may issue states and counties often seem to descriminate ....ie. if you contribute heavily to your sheriff's campaign they may issue you a license. Everyone else is out of luck.

change CA to a "shall issue" state.

there are 9 "may issue" states with 2 of those 9 actually "shall issue" in practice ..