Ammo Bill Proposed

[slim 1,533]

I think small pawn shops can sell guns but don't sell ammo,

It's not that they're restricted from selling ammo (some pawn shops do sell ammo) it's that their business isn't set up to do so. The cost of ammo fluctuates quite a bit (but trends upwardly) and the margins aren't as good as they would be on a gun.

Most pawn shops buy guns at pennies on the dollar but sell them for just a tad under regular price.

The other reason you don't see a lot of ammo at pawn shops is because the typical gun owner has a box of shells or so for each of their guns. They just don't stock ammo. Those who do - crazy preppers, big time shooters and whatnot - have the money to do so and typically don't need to pawn anything in order to feed their habits. The guy who can afford to purchase and sit on several thousand dollars worth of ammo is highly unlikely to pawn any of his collection for a few hundred bucks.

Pawn shops are a great place to find deals on guns. But they're never going to be able to match the online sales of ammo. Even regular brick and mortar storefronts won't be able to since ammo is heavy and the only way to really save is to buy in bulk. When shipments can be consolidated to locations money is saved by everyone.

Another issue that hasn't been brought up here is what about the ammo "loophole?" There are a bunch of reloaders out there who buy "components" (brass, bullets, primers, powder, etc.) and in true government fashion, it looks like they've skipped over that. Should we remind them?

[Dan J 277]

It's funny that knee-jerk liberals assume passing yet another law will stop any crime from happening. Funnier still that people support them. I'm always amazed by otherwise intelligent people who lose all cognitive ability when it comes to things like crime. "If we make it even more illegal than this will never happen again."

It's like trying to stop drunk driving by limiting the sale of autos to sober people.

I don't think anyone is claiming that it will stop crime from happening. Instead it will make it harder to get a lot of ammo anonymously and reduce the probability of a another large attack.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I don't think anyone is claiming that it will stop crime from happening. Instead it will make it harder to get a lot of ammo anonymously and reduce the probability of a another large attack.

How many rounds did the shooter actually get off? For it to really have an effect, I would think of a much smaller number than what this legislation is proposing.

[PMartin37 161]

Police said Holmes was armed on the night of the shooting with a Smith & Wesson M&P .223 semi-automatic rifle, similar to an AR-15 assault rifle; a 12-gauge shotgun and a Glock .40-caliber handgun, according to police.

An additional Glock .40-caliber handgun was found in his car. All the weapons had been bought legally in the previous 60 days.

I wonder if any legislation will address the need to stagger sales of firearms themselves. It's not a "kneejerk" reaction. It's a concern for innocent citizens , such as the mother of the dead 6 year old who is now paralyzed from the waist down. The Brady Bill was perceived by some to be one of those kneejerk reactions. I don't think it's an enormous sacrifice to to have waiting periods for firearms nor do I think it's outrageous to suggest a law that requires wait periods for buying large volumes of guns or large volumes of ammunition.

For those of you who think it's a kneejerk reaction to promote responsible gun ownership that not only respects the rights of those who wish to buy firearms as well as those who are unarmed and defenseless against lunatics with guns, then perhaps you're right. Let's just wait until the NEXT mass shooting (maybe the next time, the shooter's gun won't jam and he can beat Holmes' record) and then we'll have the same discussion later- and you can count on it...there WILL be a next time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-shooting-denverbre86t00r-20120729,0,7647042.story

Edited July 31, 2012 by PMartin37

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Police said Holmes was armed on the night of the shooting with a Smith & Wesson M&P .223 semi-automatic rifle, similar to an AR-15 assault rifle; a 12-gauge shotgun and a Glock .40-caliber handgun, according to police.

An additional Glock .40-caliber handgun was found in his car. All the weapons had been bought legally in the previous 60 days.

I wonder if any legislation will address the need to stagger sales of firearms themselves. It's not a "kneejerk" reaction. It's a concern for innocent citizens , such as the mother of the dead 6 year old who is now paralyzed from the waist down. The Brady Bill was perceived by some to be one of those kneejerk reactions. I don't think it's an enormous sacrifice to to have waiting periods for firearms nor do I think it's outrageous to suggest a law that requires wait periods for buying large volumes of guns or large volumes of ammunition.

For those of you who think it's a kneejerk reaction to promote responsible gun ownership that not only respects the rights of those who wish to buy firearms as well as those who are unarmed and defenseless against lunatics with guns, then perhaps you're right. Let's just wait until the NEXT mass shooting (maybe the next time, the shooter's gun won't jam and he can beat Holmes' record) and then we'll have the same discussion later- and you can count on it...there WILL be a next time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-shooting-denverbre86t00r-20120729,0,7647042.story

You'll find that purchase limits will not really affect the "crazies", but they're effects are positive in terms of straw purchases.

[Danno 1,228]

"Never let a tragedy go to waste"

If you can restrict or limit guns in anyway

then do it.

[DaveE 178]

Not a snowballs chance in hell of passing. I can walk into Bass Pro shop now and buy 1000 rounds of Federal XM193 ammo with no ID. Only difference is that instead of paying $279 delivered online, I will have to pay $535.00

Only ID requirements for ammo here is handgun ammo to prove you are over 18. Actually on-line would be better for tracking (if that is the goal), as a credit card would be required for purchase. At the local fun store you just plunk cash on the counter and out you go.

[Darnell 8,479]

Chris Rock proposed that bullets cost $1000 each to avoid innocent bystanders. This way if someone got shot you knew they absolutely had to have done something to deserve it.

I listen to an mp3 of that, twice a week - it's so f'ing funny !

But it's 5K, not 1K.

[rocks 494]

Chris Rock proposed that bullets cost $1000 each to avoid innocent bystanders. This way if someone got shot you knew they absolutely had to have done something to deserve it.

I quoted that in a previous thread, it went over their heads.

[Danno 1,228]

Not a snowballs chance in hell of passing. I can walk into Bass Pro shop now and buy 1000 rounds of Federal XM193 ammo with no ID. Only difference is that instead of paying $279 delivered online, I will have to pay $535.00

Only ID requirements for ammo here is handgun ammo to prove you are over 18. Actually on-line would be better for tracking (if that is the goal), as a credit card would be required for purchase. At the local fun store you just plunk cash on the counter and out you go.

Yeah no kidding how do you think they knew so quickly how much ammo he had bought?

Whats so stupid about this game of wack-o-mole is no matter what they do there are 5 other ways to achieve the same amount of ammo legally.

Fact no 1. there is no public mood for gun control measures, people see no evidence it would stop anything, merely rearrange the method of destruction in small detail.

Fact no 2. We are in an election season, see number one.

[rocks 494]

Yeah no kidding how do you think they knew so quickly how much ammo he had bought?

Whats so stupid about this game of wack-o-mole is no matter what they do there are 5 other ways to achieve the same amount of ammo legally.

Fact no 1. there is no public mood for gun control measures, people see no evidence it would stop anything, merely rearrange the method of destruction in small detail.

Fact no 2. We are in an election season, see number one.

Yet voter ID is really needed.

[Danno 1,228]

Yet voter ID is really needed.

Good point... if it made sense.

Give me a few easy ways to get around voter ID

and then I will give you a few easy ways to amass ammunition should the internet sales be stopped.

WAITING.

[rocks 494]

Good point... if it made sense.

Give me a few easy ways to get around voter ID

and then I will give you a few easy ways to amass ammunition should the internet sales be stopped.

WAITING.

How is it any different? You need an ID to buy it. It's exactly the same.

[Harsh_77 718]

I think small pawn shops can sell guns but don't sell ammo, the rest sell it though. Maybe it is different where you are?

This has just as much chance of passing as the voter ID law.

Pawn shop cannot just sell or trade in guns, they need to have a gun dealers license. They are required to have FFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License

[Harsh_77 718]

Police said Holmes was armed on the night of the shooting with a Smith & Wesson M&P .223 semi-automatic rifle, similar to an AR-15 assault rifle; a 12-gauge shotgun and a Glock .40-caliber handgun, according to police.

An additional Glock .40-caliber handgun was found in his car. All the weapons had been bought legally in the previous 60 days.

I wonder if any legislation will address the need to stagger sales of firearms themselves. It's not a "kneejerk" reaction. It's a concern for innocent citizens , such as the mother of the dead 6 year old who is now paralyzed from the waist down. The Brady Bill was perceived by some to be one of those kneejerk reactions. I don't think it's an enormous sacrifice to to have waiting periods for firearms nor do I think it's outrageous to suggest a law that requires wait periods for buying large volumes of guns or large volumes of ammunition.

For those of you who think it's a kneejerk reaction to promote responsible gun ownership that not only respects the rights of those who wish to buy firearms as well as those who are unarmed and defenseless against lunatics with guns, then perhaps you're right. Let's just wait until the NEXT mass shooting (maybe the next time, the shooter's gun won't jam and he can beat Holmes' record) and then we'll have the same discussion later- and you can count on it...there WILL be a next time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-shooting-denverbre86t00r-20120729,0,7647042.story

If this is not a kneejerk reaction than what?

Just one nut goes and does something crazy and some dumb lawmaker goes on making a new legislation.