Interesting Conversation on Voter Id

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Interesting-conversation with my wife this morning.

Wife-Hun what are you talking about with those people on VJ

Me-Voter ID

Her- Yes when i lived in the Philippines I worked in the commission on elections office, and she showed me her Voter Id.

Me- Here in this country there is a big debate on the subject of people showing ID when voting

Her- Why ? In the Philippines even the poorest of the poor showed ID when voting and when put dye on their fingertip to prevent them voting again. When they registered to vote we took their picture and we checked it when they came in against their ID.

Me- Well hun, in this country our Democratic party, thinks showing an ID is unfair to poor people ?

Her- But Hun will the Government give them an ID for Free

Me-Yes

Her- But hun that is crazy if you don't make people show an ID people will vote many times claiming to be someone else

Me- That's right

Her- Well then the politicians need to know this

Me-Hun- They do, the Democrat politicians advocate this

Her- That's crazy... Sometimes I don't understand you Americans. Thats very crazy

Me- Welcome to America

Her- Hun are you a democrat

Me- Of course not

Her-good because they sound crazy, only crazy people could expect no voter fraud if you don't show an ID, I had to show an ID to get my SSN and Driver s L.

Me-I know hun it's crazy

Her-Hun are you a Republican ?

Me- No Hun cause they are just as bad in different directions. I am a libertarian

Her- Hun I know a Pinay girl that is gets food stamps because she was sick 2 years ago, but she works full time and her and her husband drive a corvette, is this also because of the democrats ?

Me-yes

Her-- Hun Americans are really crazy...

Me-Yes your right

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

[mawilson 2,133]

The "poor people can't afford ID" argument cracks me up.

Here in New York, a new non-driver photo ID card costs $17.50. Replacements cost $6.50.

[Ban Hammer 13,555]

[Teddy B 17,252]

Some would have you think that poor people would have to walk 30 miles in a ditch alongside the highway with cars and trucks buzzing by, in 100 degeree heat just to get that free id. Yet that same someone claims that there is a fast food restaurant on every corner and that's why those same people that just trudged 30 miles in a ditch alongside the highway with cars and trucks buzzing by, in 100 degree heat are obese. Go figure.

[rocks 494]

How is this interesting? It's just random babble.

[mawilson 2,133]

How is this interesting? It's just random babble.

It's interesting because it provides the personal perspective of a person who actually comes from a poor country - a real poor country, where poverty is nothing like poverty in America. Where people don't have unemployment benefits, welfare, social security, or medicare. Where more than a quarter of the population lives on less than a dollar a day.

And yet somehow she doesn't seem to think that the ID requirement is discriminatory.

[rocks 494]

It's interesting because it provides the personal perspective of a person who actually comes from a poor country - a real poor country, where poverty is nothing like poverty in America. Where people don't have unemployment benefits, welfare, social security, or medicare. Where more than a quarter of the population lives on less than a dollar a day.

And yet somehow she doesn't seem to think that the ID requirement is discriminatory.

What is interesting about comparing apples and oranges? You're good at comparing those.

Do they have a constitution that protects voters rights? Do they have minorities that vote for the left, that the right are trying to prevent from voting by introducing these rules? It's totally irrelevant to the situation here. I could talk about the healthcare system in the UK ( which you compared to communism ) but it doesn't bare any relevance on this country.

[mawilson 2,133]

I could talk about the healthcare system in the UK ( which you compared to communism )

Huh? When did I compare the NHS to communism? You must have me confused with someone else.

I'm *from* the UK, honey. I know a thing or two about the NHS and how it operates.

[rocks 494]

Huh? When did I compare the NHS to communism? You must have me confused with someone else.

I'm *from* the UK, honey. I know a thing or two about the NHS and how it operates.

My bad, it was Medicare. Same difference.

I'm not your honey.

[mawilson 2,133]

Do they have a constitution that protects voters rights? Do they have minorities that vote for the left, that the right are trying to prevent from voting by introducing these rules? It's totally irrelevant to the situation here. I could talk about the healthcare system in the UK ( which you compared to communism ) but it doesn't bare any relevance on this country.

Since you asked, yes, they have a constitution which protects voters' rights, specifically, Article V (Suffrage) of the Constitution:

Section 1. Suffrage may be exercised by all citizens of the Philippines, not otherwise disqualified by law, who are at least eighteen years of age, and who shall have resided in the Philippines for at least one year and in the place wherein they propose to vote, for at least six months immediately preceding the election. No literacy, property, or other substantive requirement shall be imposed on the exercise of suffrage.

Section 2. The Congress shall provide a system for securing the secrecy and sanctity of the ballot as well as a system for absentee voting by qualified Filipinos abroad.

The Congress shall also design a procedure for the disabled and the illiterates to vote without the assistance of other persons. Until then, they shall be allowed to vote under existing laws and such rules as the Commission on Elections may promulgate to protect the secrecy of the ballot.

http://www.lawphil.net/consti/cons1987.html

My bad, it was Medicare. Same difference.

I did a search for the word "communism" where the author is "mawilson" and got a few pages of results, mostly from referenced articles. The NHS or Medicare wasn't mentioned.

[rocks 494]

Since you asked, yes, they have a constitution which protects voters' rights, specifically, Article V (Suffrage) of the Constitution:

You missed half of what I said.

Do they have minorities that vote for the left, that the right are trying to prevent from voting by introducing these rules?

[mawilson 2,133]

So stop lying.

[rocks 494]

So stop lying.

Stop answering half a question to make yourself look right.

[mawilson 2,133]

You missed half of what I said.

Do they have people who would benefit from voter fraud? Gee, what an insightful question. All countries do.

Stop answering half a question to make yourself look right.

You lied when you said I compared the NHS to communism. Never happened.

You then corrected yourself and claimed that I had compared Medicare to communism. Still never happened.

You're still lying.

Edited July 28, 2012 by mawilson