Do you know of any conservatives who have been put to death by Obamacare death panels?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hey lib, you just admitted that they will exist.

Sure, the IPAB will exist. Fools refer to this body created by the PPACA as death panels. That doesn't make it so - it just helps fools out themselves as such.

[JohnR! 5,495]

HMO's are not part of Obamacare. They existed before Obamacare. Death panels are part of Obamacare. Try to keep up.

I did not say HMO's were part of Obamacare,

I pointed out that currently HMO's operate in the same way and manner in which some describe the mythological Death Panels.

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I did not say HMO's were part of Obamacare,

I pointed out that currently HMO's operate in the same way and manner in which some describe the mythological Death Panels.

HMOs are not Death Panels because Death Panels are part of ACA. This is not rocket science.

[JohnR! 5,495]

HMOs are not Death Panels because Death Panels are part of ACA. This is not rocket science.

That could be the very reason I did not say they were.

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That could be the very reason I did not say they were.

This conversation is about Death Panels. Please try to stick to the topic. HMOs are not Death Panels because they are not part of ACA.

Goodness!

[JohnR! 5,495]

This conversation is about Death Panels. Please try to stick to the topic. HMOs are not Death Panels because they are not part of ACA.

Goodness!

In that case, I am positive that must have been the reason I did not make a statement to the contrary!

Having said that, a rose by any other name....

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Having said that, a rose by any other name....

You continue to imply that HMOs operate as Death Panels.

Nothing can be farther from the truth due to the simple FACT that Death Panels were first introduced to America by the ACA with inspiration from Nazi Germany. These are the facts and they are beyond dispute.

[JohnR! 5,495]

You continue to imply that HMOs operate as Death Panels.

Death Panels, in their palinesque context in the realm of the Universal Health Care bill signed by the POTUS, are a mythological creation of the hyperbolic fringes of the conservative wing in American politics. As such, I cannot imply they operate, in the present tense, for they do not exist.

I simply pointed out that currently HMOs operate in the same manner some attribute the mythological death panels will.

[Karee 4,191]

In that case, I am positive that must have been the reason I did not make a statement to the contrary!

Having said that, a rose by any other name....

Here's a good thread for you:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/365109-say-something-about-the-person-above-you/

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The term Death Panel is a media construct. It is meaningless. All it proves that the media has a large influence over many people who are used to taking things it at face value.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

The term Death Panel is a media construct. It is meaningless. All it proves that the media has a large influence over many people who are used to taking things it at face value.

You dissemble -- as a recipient of NHS care, you have been put to death by Death Panels numerous times. Why, I myself have been bureaucratically exterminated on seven different occasions, including once for a plantar's wart.

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... a mythological creation of the hyperbolic fringes of the conservative wing in American politics.

Don't lie.

[JohnR! 5,495]

The term Death Panel is a media construct. It is meaningless. All it proves that the media has a large influence over many people who are used to taking things it at face value.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

READ and weep.

Nearly one in 10 employers to drop health coverage

About one in 10 employers plan to drop health coverage when key provisions of the new health care law kick in less than two years from now, according to a survey to be released Tuesday by the consulting company Deloitte.

Nine percent of companies said they expect to stop offering coverage to their workers in the next one to three years, the Wall Street Journal reported. Around 81 percent said they would continue providing benefits and 10 percent said they weren't sure.

The companies, though, said a lot will depend on how future provisions of the law unfold, since most of the key parts are scheduled to take effect in 2014. One in three respondents said they could stop offering coverage if the law requires them to provide more generous benefits than they do now, if a tax on high-cost plans takes effect in 2018 as scheduled or if they decide it would be cheaper for them to pay the penalty for not providing insurance.

While small business don't face fines for failing to offer coverage, companies with 50 or more full time employees face a penalty starting at $2,000 per worker.

Deloitte conducted the study between February and April — before the Supreme Court upheld most of the law — and surveyed corporate and human-resources executives from 560 companies currently offering benefits.

In contrast, the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that around seven percent of workers could lose coverage under the law by 2019.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/jul/24/nearly-one-10-employers-drop-health-coverage/

This is merely the continuation of what happened before PPACA was enacted. Employer Sponsored Insurance has eroded for well over a decade now. If the same percentage of workers were covered by EIS today as was the case in 2000, some 30 million additional people would have health insurance coverage today. In other words, over the decade prior to PPACA becoming the law of the land, 30 million Americans lost their access to employer sponsored health insurance. Year after year employers have dropped health insurance coverage from their compensation packages. This isn't anything new. And since it happened prior to PPACA same as it does after, I don't see how one can seriously make the argument that PPACA is the cause for this erosion.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Don't lie.

I'm sitting.