Dual Citizenship

[roytmini 0]

I wanted to have a dual Citizenship to be able to retire and acquire properties from my country of Origin but before i decide to do it I want to kn ow what's the advantages and disadvantages in both side I already own condominium that's all I am allowed to own and I want to retire and buy more land unless I can prove that I am also passport holder in the country. Being a US Citizen anyone having problem with dual-citizenship.

[Penguin_ie 5,993]

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A lot depends on what country you are from, and what their take on dual citizenship is...

[girlish_51 0]

The only con of dual citizenship I know of (and I don't know how true, just heard about it) is that if ever you're in your home country which of course you're a citizen and there's a need to evacuate all American citizens you will be one ofthe least priority since you are citizen ofthe country you are in to.

As I've said I don't know iftere are some truth about this.

[NickD 202]

Some of us are stuck with dual naturalization, even though we don't want it if you ever want to see your lifelong family or friends ever again. Our Department of State puts your place of birth in your US passport, and when they see that, won't even let you into your home country unless you have and maintain a passport for that country.

In regards to your family coming here, only if they do own a lot of property and are wealthy, because that is the only way the USA will issue them a visa. Afraid if the poor come here, they will stay here, so won't even issue visa. Poor is renting an expensive condo, rich is owning it plus having gainful employment.

For most countries, all that counts is that you were born there, something you never have a say about, where you are born, a citizen for life. USA is no different, even though both your parents are here illegally, if you were born of them here, a US citizen for life unless you denounce it. If you come here of your own free will, legally, and if they will even let you, depending upon your health and wealth, just naturalized, but in no way like a person that was born here. A naturalized citizen is not the same as a natural born citizen, even though the USCIS says you are, DOS has different ideas on this subject.

Ha, you want to buy property in your home country? We want to sell property in our home country, but if we do, no way to bring that money here, especially at the so-called fair exchange rate. With a constant fear their government will confiscate it. Some try to sell it for US dollars, but no US bank will loan out money for a foreign country for private individuals, unless you can find someone that wants to live there and has cash. Could get a bank loan from that country, but will be paid in the currency of that country with no means to get it out of that country. So in brief, you are screwed.

With 200 some odd different countries, our DOS has different agreements with each individual country. I assume they do this at a cocktail party when they are all drunk, sure seems that way. Only one requirement to become an ambassador in the state department, have helped the current president get elected. Apparently the only requirement to become the director of the USCIS or the DOS.

[roytmini 0]

The only con of dual citizenship I know of (and I don't know how true, just heard about it) is that if ever you're in your home country which of course you're a citizen and there's a need to evacuate all American citizens you will be one ofthe least priority since you are citizen ofthe country you are in to.

As I've said I don't know iftere are some truth about this.

if your are US citizen and holding a US passport then you are entitled and share the same treatment as any other American. Dual citizenship in my country are allowed to have 2 passport , US and my country of origin. Thanks for the info....

[roytmini 0]

Some of us are stuck with dual naturalization, even though we don't want it if you ever want to see your lifelong family or friends ever again. Our Department of State puts your place of birth in your US passport, and when they see that, won't even let you into your home country unless you have and maintain a passport for that country.

In regards to your family coming here, only if they do own a lot of property and are wealthy, because that is the only way the USA will issue them a visa. Afraid if the poor come here, they will stay here, so won't even issue visa. Poor is renting an expensive condo, rich is owning it plus having gainful employment.

For most countries, all that counts is that you were born there, something you never have a say about, where you are born, a citizen for life. USA is no different, even though both your parents are here illegally, if you were born of them here, a US citizen for life unless you denounce it. If you come here of your own free will, legally, and if they will even let you, depending upon your health and wealth, just naturalized, but in no way like a person that was born here. A naturalized citizen is not the same as a natural born citizen, even though the USCIS says you are, DOS has different ideas on this subject.

Ha, you want to buy property in your home country? We want to sell property in our home country, but if we do, no way to bring that money here, especially at the so-called fair exchange rate. With a constant fear their government will confiscate it. Some try to sell it for US dollars, but no US bank will loan out money for a foreign country for private individuals, unless you can find someone that wants to live there and has cash. Could get a bank loan from that country, but will be paid in the currency of that country with no means to get it out of that country. So in brief, you are screwed.

With 200 some odd different countries, our DOS has different agreements with each individual country. I assume they do this at a cocktail party when they are all drunk, sure seems that way. Only one requirement to become an ambassador in the state department, have helped the current president get elected. Apparently the only requirement to become the director of the USCIS or the DOS.

The reason i want to buy property is for my retirement home, as we all know you have to work until 72 years old to collect SSS paycheck and i said that is bull---- i will retire to enjoy my life without having to pay uncle sam that much done more than enough, 20 years.. serve the country in time of needs like the war in Iraq, and during Ronald Reagan time which Kadaffi threaten to shot him, pus more years in civilian job, time to go at 55.... life is short and must enjoy it.... travel the wold and visit the kids in US every year to keep up the Visa/ passport active. Than you for the input. Geat information

[ChetT 9]

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The reason i want to buy property is for my retirement home, as we all know you have to work until 72 years old to collect SSS paycheck and i said that is bull---- i will retire to enjoy my life without having to pay uncle sam that much done more than enough, 20 years.. serve the country in time of needs like the war in Iraq, and during Ronald Reagan time which Kadaffi threaten to shot him, pus more years in civilian job, time to go at 55.... life is short and must enjoy it.... travel the wold and visit the kids in US every year to keep up the Visa/ passport active. Than you for the input. Geat information

[roytmini 0]

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SSA

i meant social security check or pension. sorry

[sjo 1]

The reason i want to buy property is for my retirement home, as we all know you have to work until 72 years old to collect SSS paycheck and i said that is bull---- i will retire to enjoy my life without having to pay uncle sam that much done more than enough, 20 years.. serve the country in time of needs like the war in Iraq, and during Ronald Reagan time which Kadaffi threaten to shot him, pus more years in civilian job, time to go at 55.... life is short and must enjoy it.... travel the wold and visit the kids in US every year to keep up the Visa/ passport active. Than you for the input. Geat information

And this is exactly how Greece got to where it is now.

[warlord 73]

The only Con is the taxes you still have to file if you decide to live outside of the US regardless of how long, you still have to file US taxes abroad. Not that you necessarily will owe money, but you might even if you haven't had any dealings with the US in years. Another issue in some countries like Uganda, I've heard if you are still a citizen there you can still be required to do a stint in the military. Not long ago in the news a man went back after years to visit his family and they found he hadn't done his military duty and kept him there because of that. So some countries may view you still having their citizenship as meaning you have the same responsibilities as every other citizen living there regardless of where you live.

The Pro to that is that you can leave the US and live and work abroad for as long as you want to. You also can vote of course, can never be denied entry into the US (makes borders much more pleasant to cross). You can get certain jobs that require a US citizenship to get. You of course always have another nation to be welcomed into and can freely live and work if you find a better opportunity there.

So there are more pro's than con's, but it all does come down to what country you are originally from. Countries like UK and Canada for instance, there is no reason not to be a dual citizenship as they have no requirements for you and they can never deny you entry for visiting...

[sjo 1]

One thing to note but that probably doesn't apply in this case - dual citizenship does make it much more difficult if you want a job requiring clearance or TSC, as holding a foreign passport is not viewed favorably in that situation. World taxation is a second issue. Other than that there aren't many downside from the US side, it's dependent on the other countries view of dual.

[roytmini 0]

The only Con is the taxes you still have to file if you decide to live outside of the US regardless of how long, you still have to file US taxes abroad. Not that you necessarily will owe money, but you might even if you haven't had any dealings with the US in years. Another issue in some countries like Uganda, I've heard if you are still a citizen there you can still be required to do a stint in the military. Not long ago in the news a man went back after years to visit his family and they found he hadn't done his military duty and kept him there because of that. So some countries may view you still having their citizenship as meaning you have the same responsibilities as every other citizen living there regardless of where you live.

The Pro to that is that you can leave the US and live and work abroad for as long as you want to. You also can vote of course, can never be denied entry into the US (makes borders much more pleasant to cross). You can get certain jobs that require a US citizenship to get. You of course always have another nation to be welcomed into and can freely live and work if you find a better opportunity there.

So there are more pro's than con's, but it all does come down to what country you are originally from. Countries like UK and Canada for instance, there is no reason not to be a dual citizenship as they have no requirements for you and they can never deny you entry for visiting...

Yes great information, i am originally from the philippines so not a problem when it comes to the military, their housing market is much different, they keep building houses and condominium they cater for called balikbayan which is people from abroad,

On the other hand if i decided to have dual citizenship i still have to file taxes which means i have to come back once a year, the good thing is i can live below the poverty and still have enough money to travel and do whatever i want, in states where i live people had to work 2 jobs to keep up with the housing rent of course i have my own place so if i leave i can rent it out and have some positive cash flow to pay the mortgage.

Great discussion and thank you for the input.