Another case of Gun Control -Backfiring.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Coz the simple argument is if someone went on the high speed chase and in the process hits multiple vehicle killing and injuring innocent victims.

Would you or any of the politicians recommend banning the motor vehicle?

Own a weapon and you know how it works, lot of the people who are against the gun has never held a weapon nor fired a weapon in their life yet they jump on the band wagon of banning the guns.

[rocks 494]

There is actually tech that will stamp a casing with an ID of the firearm that fired the round. But its patented still.

What I meant was that people have to be linked to the purchase of the ammo, the same as they are with guns. I can see all the right wingers complaining that it is an invasion of their privacy, but I don't see any real justification against it.

[Harsh_77 718]

The thing is this is one of those scenarios where neither side really has an argument. You are right in saying that the attacker would use any method to cause casualties even if no firearms existed. Likewise, the whole notion of conceal carry protecting the people in that cinema is silly. Proponents of conceal carry that would argue so have already forgotten their primary argument for conceal carry - that a criminal is less likely to engage in crime if he believes a few ppl may be armed. In this case, the attacker mitigated that.

Both sides need to realize that the attack is out of the norm and there is very little that can be done to stop the truly dedicated mass killer with above average intellect.

You are right in case like guy from Colorado would mitigate if they know that some ppl in the crowd could be armed.

Yet there can be some resistance, unless you believe in going down without resistance that it’s a different story.

Say 4-5 ppl in the crowd had CC and couple more in theater had CC, there can be some resistance put up, possibilities are there.

This case he was very well aware no one is armed at all. The city or state laws were even weird, no one could discharge a weapon other than at firing range, for someone like Colorado guy that was a VIP ticket he knew no one would be armed and nothing was going to stop him.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

What I meant was that people have to be linked to the purchase of the ammo, the same as they are with guns. I can see all the right wingers complaining that it is an invasion of their privacy, but I don't see any real justification against it.

How would you link them?

You may not realize how hard that would be given people collect the casings off of ranges etc, buy powder by the pound, and pour their own lead.

Edited July 24, 2012 by Sousuke

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You are right in case like guy from Colorado would mitigate if they know that some ppl in the crowd could be armed.

Yet there can be some resistance, unless you believe in going down without resistance that it’s a different story.

Say 4-5 ppl in the crowd had CC and couple more in theater had CC, there can be some resistance put up, possibilities are there.

This case he was very well aware no one is armed at all. The city or state laws were even weird, no one could discharge a weapon other than at firing range, for someone like Colorado guy that was a VIP ticket he knew no one would be armed and nothing was going to stop him.

Quite a lot of armor for someone who wasn't worried about it.

[rocks 494]

How would you link them?

You may not realize how hard that would be given people collect the casings off of ranges etc, buy powder by the pound, and pour their own lead.

That when they buy the ammo they must be subject to the same rules as buying a gun.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

What I meant was that people have to be linked to the purchase of the ammo, the same as they are with guns. I can see all the right wingers complaining that it is an invasion of their privacy, but I don't see any real justification against it.

then perhaps you have not asked enough questions?

like how much will this increase cost?

and as it's for all ammo, how much will that cost be for state and federal purchases, as police use ammo and so does the military.

also - what about shotguns - is someone gonna engrave a bunch of #9 pellets?

how about ammo already purchased? are people gonna have turn that in?

Edited July 24, 2012 by charles!

[Harsh_77 718]

What I meant was that people have to be linked to the purchase of the ammo, the same as they are with guns. I can see all the right wingers complaining that it is an invasion of their privacy, but I don't see any real justification against it.

Proves you believe in big government... so now make another agency whose job would be to track the ammo.

Governement should put GPS on your ankle to trace you where you are going, if you are not going to get in to car and mow down ppl.

How about that?

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

How would you link them?

You may not realize how hard that would be given people collect the casings off of ranges etc, buy powder by the pound, and pour their own lead.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You are right in case like guy from Colorado would mitigate if they know that some ppl in the crowd could be armed.

Yet there can be some resistance, unless you believe in going down without resistance that it’s a different story.

Say 4-5 ppl in the crowd had CC and couple more in theater had CC, there can be some resistance put up, possibilities are there.

This case he was very well aware no one is armed at all. The city or state laws were even weird, no one could discharge a weapon other than at firing range, for someone like Colorado guy that was a VIP ticket he knew no one would be armed and nothing was going to stop him.

Honestly? I think the guy assumed people would be armed.

[Harsh_77 718]

Quite a lot of armor for someone who wasn't worried about it.

Evylin the only real armour he had was vest.

Other stuff like black legging or gas mask that is not bullet proof.

[rocks 494]

then perhaps you have not asked enough questions?

like how much will this increase costs?

and as it's for all ammo, how much will that cost be for state and federal purchases, as police use ammo and so does the military.

also - what about shotguns - is someone gonna engrave a bunch of #9 pellets?

how about ammo already purchased? are people gonna have turn that in?

The cost would have to be absorbed by the purchaser.

It makes me think of this, can you guess who it is?

Everybody is talking about gun control. Got to control the guns. F***, that, I like guns. If you've got a gun, you don't need to work out! Cause, I ain't working out. I ain't jogging. No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his a**!'

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Evylin the only real armour he had was vest.

Other stuff like black legging or gas mask that is not bullet proof.

Why wear a bullet proof vest if he knew his victims wouldn't be shooting back? He gave himself up to the cops, so it's not like he planned a shootout with them, either.

That's the truly odd part. Usually these crazies either off themselves or try to take down a few cops with them.

[Harsh_77 718]

Honestly? I think the guy assumed people would be armed.

Could be I don't know, this seemed to be completely disllusional.

He did not give any fight to police or anything, even in the court yesterday he did not say anything was just starring the floor and seemed was dazed.

[natty bumppo 297]

then perhaps you have not asked enough questions?

like how much will this increase cost?

and as it's for all ammo, how much will that cost be for state and federal purchases, as police use ammo and so does the military.

also - what about shotguns - is someone gonna engrave a bunch of #9 pellets?

how about ammo already purchased? are people gonna have turn that in?

and ... any minor modification (file or grinding) will alter the unique "signature"

next ... is each piece tracked?

what happens if you loose one piece of ammo that gets used in a non-legal manner?

what if it's simply one piece of brass left at the range that someone picked up and carried away?