Another case of Gun Control -Backfiring.

[MyLittlePony 340]

  On 7/24/2012 at 2:47 AM, Bad_Daddy said:

You must be from California.

Jealous of the state with the best weather.

[rocks 494]

  On 7/24/2012 at 2:39 AM, spookyturtle said:

Drunk drivers kill about the same number of people as are murdered by guns. Why not ban alcohol? And never mind alcohol, cars kill more people than guns. Ban cars too.

Ban cell phones!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

  On 7/24/2012 at 2:46 AM, PMartin37 said:

I don't think that argument would carry much weight with one of the victims of this shooting. Drunk drivers don't TARGET people with the sole intention of killing them. And they aren't constantly shopping with the intention of finding the most devastating vehicle to demolish people. Sorry but that argument doesn't hold water.

Of course it holds water, and quite will. Try your explanation on someone who has lost a loved one due to a drunk driver and see if you make them feel better. And 99.9999999% of gun owners don't do what you stated either. Your argument FAILS big time.

[PMartin37 161]

  On 7/24/2012 at 3:22 AM, spookyturtle said:

Of course it holds water, and quite will. Try your explanation on someone who has lost a loved one due to a drunk driver and see if you make them feel better. And 99.9999999% of gun owners don't do what you stated either. Your argument FAILS big time.

My argument is concerning weapons and the buying and selling process. That's the discussion at hand. You brought the drunk driving comparison into it. And there really is no comparison to be made.

My point is not to try to make drunk driving victims feel better ...I'm talking about shooting victims.

[rocks 494]

  On 7/24/2012 at 3:32 AM, PMartin37 said:

My argument is concerning weapons and the buying and selling process. That's the discussion at hand. You brought the drunk driving comparison into it. And there really is no comparison to be made.

My point is not to try to make drunk driving victims feel better ...I'm talking about shooting victims.

Do you think it would help if all ammo was traceable?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

  On 7/24/2012 at 3:37 AM, rocks said:

Do you think it would help if all ammo was traceable?

There is actually tech that will stamp a casing with an ID of the firearm that fired the round. But its patented still.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

  On 7/24/2012 at 3:32 AM, PMartin37 said:

My argument is concerning weapons and the buying and selling process. That's the discussion at hand. You brought the drunk driving comparison into it. And there really is no comparison to be made.

My point is not to try to make drunk driving victims feel better ...I'm talking about shooting victims.

You want to ban guns, I made a comparison to something that ruins far more lives and you claim it is irrelevant.

[PMartin37 161]

  On 7/24/2012 at 4:18 AM, spookyturtle said:

You want to ban guns, I made a comparison to something that ruins far more lives and you claim it is irrelevant.

Why is it impossible to make a suggestion that changes be made in the buying and selling of weapons that will protect innocent civilians and still preserve the rights of gunowners. Why is that beyond any discussion?

Why would someone that owns firearms want them banned? That's not the suggestion I'm making at all.

I feel that it's a right to own one and should prove useful for many situations. However, while I think it's important to not only protect my own rights to own one, I also think it's my right to demand that certain protocols be in place to protect myself and others against individuals acquiring weapons to kill me. Is that unreasonable? Really?

[Danno 1,228]

The reason I named the sub-title of this thread

When utopia and reality collide

is because it is so true. My friends on the left just can not accept that this country is too far down the road of "gun ownership" to ever get back.

There are so many guns out there there is literally nothing you can do to get the genie back in the bottle .... if we all wanted too.

Any law or ban or policy is based on utopia.

Sensible measures are often counter productive, if you really wanted to change things you would need several unconstitutional laws passes and several decades of implementation to have an effect.

As it is, gun ownership and gun rights are on the march, they are the ones making progress in law and in public opinion. Even Obama, the most liberal senator.... in the wake of this horror did not even hint at looking into specific gun control measures.

So the Left is stuck in the fantasy that somehow they can undo the gun ownership and gun mentality that is so dominate in this country.

Ait gonna happen for some time.

[rocks 494]

  On 7/24/2012 at 8:40 AM, Danno said:

Ait gonna happen for some time.

Wasn't the last time it changed because a president got shot?

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  On 7/24/2012 at 1:31 PM, rocks said:

Wasn't the last time it changed because a president got shot?

Are you implying you'd like to see the President shot?

You are despicable.

[rocks 494]

  On 7/24/2012 at 1:33 PM, Habitual Offender said:

Are you implying you'd like to see the President shot?

You are despicable.

...

It was a question, you know what that is? Where you ask something and someone replies with an answer? I was asking because I agree that the laws won't change regardless of what we think. I thought the last time the laws were changed was because that happened but I'm not sure and wanted someone to confirm that. If you can't answer the question then be quiet.

Edited July 24, 2012 by rocks

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

  On 7/24/2012 at 8:40 AM, Danno said:

The reason I named the sub-title of this thread

When utopia and reality collide

is because it is so true. My friends on the left just can not accept that this country is too far down the road of "gun ownership" to ever get back.

There are so many guns out there there is literally nothing you can do to get the genie back in the bottle .... if we all wanted too.

Any law or ban or policy is based on utopia.

Sensible measures are often counter productive, if you really wanted to change things you would need several unconstitutional laws passes and several decades of implementation to have an effect.

As it is, gun ownership and gun rights are on the march, they are the ones making progress in law and in public opinion. Even Obama, the most liberal senator.... in the wake of this horror did not even hint at looking into specific gun control measures.

So the Left is stuck in the fantasy that somehow they can undo the gun ownership and gun mentality that is so dominate in this country.

Ait gonna happen for some time.

The thing is this is one of those scenarios where neither side really has an argument. You are right in saying that the attacker would use any method to cause casualties even if no firearms existed. Likewise, the whole notion of conceal carry protecting the people in that cinema is silly. Proponents of conceal carry that would argue so have already forgotten their primary argument for conceal carry - that a criminal is less likely to engage in crime if he believes a few ppl may be armed. In this case, the attacker mitigated that.

Both sides need to realize that the attack is out of the norm and there is very little that can be done to stop the truly dedicated mass killer with above average intellect.

[Harsh_77 718]

  On 7/24/2012 at 3:45 AM, Sousuke said:

There is actually tech that will stamp a casing with an ID of the firearm that fired the round. But its patented still.

Rifling in every barrel wears differently, leaving a distinct marking on the casing.

Which is like finger print unique to every gun and in past has been used to connect gun to the crime.

[Harsh_77 718]

  On 7/24/2012 at 8:40 AM, Danno said:

The reason I named the sub-title of this thread

When utopia and reality collide

is because it is so true. My friends on the left just can not accept that this country is too far down the road of "gun ownership" to ever get back.

There are so many guns out there there is literally nothing you can do to get the genie back in the bottle .... if we all wanted too.

Any law or ban or policy is based on utopia.

Sensible measures are often counter productive, if you really wanted to change things you would need several unconstitutional laws passes and several decades of implementation to have an effect.

As it is, gun ownership and gun rights are on the march, they are the ones making progress in law and in public opinion. Even Obama, the most liberal senator.... in the wake of this horror did not even hint at looking into specific gun control measures.

So the Left is stuck in the fantasy that somehow they can undo the gun ownership and gun mentality that is so dominate in this country.

Ait gonna happen for some time.

Coz the simple argument is if someone went on the high speed chase and in the process hits multiple vehicle killing and injuring innocent victims.

Would you or any of the politicians recommend banning the motor vehicle?

Own a weapon and you know how it works, lot of the people who are against the gun has never held a weapon nor fired a weapon in their life yet they jump on the band wagon of banning the guns.