George Zimmerman defense team responds to cousin’s molestation claims

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Society's obsession with this case is amusing.

** the economy, and everything else wrong with the country today, we care about some punk kid getting shot and the idiot who shot him.

Hey, if neither Romney or the Republican party have any input on how to fix the economy, why should we?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Society's obsession with this case is amusing.

** the economy, and everything else wrong with the country today, we care about some punk kid getting shot and the idiot who shot him.

Oddly many can multi-task and feel concern about all of these things at once.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Hey, if neither Romney or the Republican party have any input on how to fix the economy, why should we?

Hey with Obama's new found power to magically re-write the law, why doesn't he do anything?

Obviously he'd rather play politics than do what needs to be done.

He's not afraid to play dictator on immigration and welare laws, why not do the same on economic and tax laws?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Society's obsession with this case is amusing.

** the economy, and everything else wrong with the country today, we care about some punk kid getting shot and the idiot who shot him.

I'm actually following three cases:

Zimmerman

O'Dwyer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O'Dwyer

Sean Combs - http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jury-acquits-M-1-toting-suburban-Detroit-man-18-3702519.php

Sean's been acquitted. I think actually Zimmerman is more likely to see justice than O'Dwyer who's government basically sold him out.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Do you know anything about Florida rules of evidence?

90.404 Character evidence; when admissible.--

(1) CHARACTER EVIDENCE GENERALLY.--Evidence of a person's character or a trait of character is inadmissible to prove action in conformity with it on a particular occasion, except: (a) Similar fact evidence of other crimes, wrongs, or acts is admissible when relevant to prove a material fact in issue, including, but not limited to, proof of motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake or accident, but it is inadmissible when the evidence is relevant solely to prove bad character or propensity

Since this latest Nancy Grace moment has no application as to "proof of motive", "oportunity", "intent", "preparation", "plan", "knowledge", "identity", or adsence of "mistake or accident", in the Trayvon Martin death, it will not be allowed.

It would not have been made public had it not been admissible, from what I understand, but you can read Zimmerman's Defense Attorney's statement in trying to prevent this from going public. It sounds to me like his attorney wasn't even trying to make that claim.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Mister Fancypants

[DaveE 178]

This is discovery only - half the ####### on both sides will never make it into evidence. When and if an actual trial starts, most of stuff will be inadmissable. This is purely both sides trying to score political points, and have an impact on the potential jury pool.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

This is discovery only - half the ####### on both sides will never make it into evidence. When and if an actual trial starts, most of stuff will be inadmissable. This is purely both sides trying to score political points, and have an impact on the potential jury pool.

After all they released his stress tests.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This is discovery only - half the ####### on both sides will never make it into evidence. When and if an actual trial starts, most of stuff will be inadmissable. This is purely both sides trying to score political points, and have an impact on the potential jury pool.

...and Zimmerman drew first blood. Whether this cousin's testimony is admissible is less important than the fact she did come out and speak up as a victim of abuse. That's after all the gold tooth, Facebook thug photos, and other character assassinations of the dead teenager Zimmerman shot were trumpeted about in the media by those who were looking for any excuse not to sympathize with the victim or his family. What comes around, goes around.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

...and Zimmerman drew first blood. Whether this cousin's testimony is admissible is less important than the fact she did come out and speak up as a victim of abuse. That's after all the gold tooth, Facebook thug photos, and other character assassinations of the dead teenager Zimmerman shot were trumpeted about in the media by those who were looking for any excuse not to sympathize with the victim or his family. What comes around, goes around.

Thats not a particularly fair comparison given that Zimmerman was given the same treatment by the media.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

...and Zimmerman drew first blood. Whether this cousin's testimony is admissible is less important than the fact she did come out and speak up as a victim of abuse. That's after all the gold tooth, Facebook thug photos, and other character assassinations of the dead teenager Zimmerman shot were trumpeted about in the media by those who were looking for any excuse not to sympathize with the victim or his family. What comes around, goes around.

1) No case ..the cops wrote it off as self defense.

2) A few phone calls are made and Jesse Jackson (friend of Obama from Chicago) and another well known racist Al Sharpton get involved after notifying the press that they were going to make a big deal out of it down in Florida.

3) Obama playing the press tells them; "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon Matin".

4) US AG Eric Holder flies down to Forida to "take care of business".

5) The media being the media uses four year old photo's of Trayvon showing him when he was 13 years old even though they had access to recent photo's from Trayvon's Facebook.

6) The media when called on those photo's uses Trayvon's Facebook photo's but actually takes the effort to photo shop them to make Trayvon look "more white".

7) The media then alters the 911 tapes to make Zimmerman look like an all out racist. Ya they altered the 911 tapes. Does it get any more pathetic than that?

8) Trayvon's parents put a copy right on all Trayvon memorabilia. t-shirts, hats, you name it they make the $$$$$ from it.

9) After the Feds re interview witnesses three key witnesses do a complete 360 and change their stories. Not even close to what they originally told the police. No tampering there though eh?

10) The original judge assigned to the Zimmerman case is found out to have ties with MSNBC seeing how her bf was working for a firm doing consulting for the Florida affiliate for MSNBC...the same MSNBC who originally altered the 911 tapes.

11) Trayvon's mother makes a small speech at a NYC mayor Bloomburg anti gun rally ...all travel and lodging expenses paid for by Bloomburg. Of course Al Sharpton was there as another keynote speaker.

12) Spike Lee tweeting some old couples address when he thought it was Zimmerman's home address while putting out bounty on his head. Of course no charges were brought against Spike Lee, even though if a famous white person were to do this he would have been looking at a full blown trial with most likely some jail time or at least probation.

13) And the Black Panthers showing up in Florida. The same Black Panthers who were caught on video strong arming voters while holding clubs during Obama's presidential elections. Funny how US AG Holder dropped ALL CHARGES against those same Black Panthers. Imagine if the KKK had done the same. The press would have had a hay day with that one.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Trayvon's parents and family were involved in trying to bring this to the public's attention far before Obama made ONE COMMENT or Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton got involved. It was a big deal BEFORE Obama, which is why he ended up being asked about it. It was already national news.

[Ban Hammer 13,590]

Ah, but it does go directly to motive! She can testify as to Zimmerman's racism!!! You also missed that little nugget in your fascination with the sexual abuse details!

and you missed this nugget of info

He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

yup, zimmerman has black roots!

[Harsh_77 718]

1) No case ..the cops wrote it off as self defense.

2) A few phone calls are made and Jesse Jackson (friend of Obama from Chicago) and another well known racist Al Sharpton get involved after notifying the press that they were going to make a big deal out of it down in Florida.

3) Obama playing the press tells them; "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon Matin".

4) US AG Eric Holder flies down to Forida to "take care of business".

5) The media being the media uses four year old photo's of Trayvon showing him when he was 13 years old even though they had access to recent photo's from Trayvon's Facebook.

6) The media when called on those photo's uses Trayvon's Facebook photo's but actually takes the effort to photo shop them to make Trayvon look "more white".

7) The media then alters the 911 tapes to make Zimmerman look like an all out racist. Ya they altered the 911 tapes. Does it get any more pathetic than that?

8) Trayvon's parents put a copy right on all Trayvon memorabilia. t-shirts, hats, you name it they make the $$$$$ from it.

9) After the Feds re interview witnesses three key witnesses do a complete 360 and change their stories. Not even close to what they originally told the police. No tampering there though eh?

10) The original judge assigned to the Zimmerman case is found out to have ties with MSNBC seeing how her bf was working for a firm doing consulting for the Florida affiliate for MSNBC...the same MSNBC who originally altered the 911 tapes.

11) Trayvon's mother makes a small speech at a NYC mayor Bloomburg anti gun rally ...all travel and lodging expenses paid for by Bloomburg. Of course Al Sharpton was there as another keynote speaker.

12) Spike Lee tweeting some old couples address when he thought it was Zimmerman's home address while putting out bounty on his head. Of course no charges were brought against Spike Lee, even though if a famous white person were to do this he would have been looking at a full blown trial with most likely some jail time or at least probation.

13) And the Black Panthers showing up in Florida. The same Black Panthers who were caught on video strong arming voters while holding clubs during Obama's presidential elections. Funny how US AG Holder dropped ALL CHARGES against those same Black Panthers. Imagine if the KKK had done the same. The press would have had a hay day with that one.

[Harsh_77 718]

Trayvon's parents and family were involved in trying to bring this to the public's attention far before Obama made ONE COMMENT or Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton got involved. It was a big deal BEFORE Obama, which is why he ended up being asked about it. It was already national news.

The thing is it was just media circus... there is similar case in Arizona where African American guy shot non African American guy.

No media circus, no comments from racist group and leaders.

No Obama comments, no Eric holder taking care of business.

No Police chief is fired.

The guy was never arrested nothing happen.

The family is still trying to gather signature and petition their case.

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2012/04/daniel-adkins-killer-claims-self.html

My point is just coz of all these circus, it does not mean Zimmerman is guilty and now someone coming forward and claims abuse and everyone jumps again.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Harsh_77

[Penny Lane 8,159]

The thing is it was just media circus... there is similar case in Arizona where African American guy shot non African American guy.

No media circus, no comments from racist group and leaders.

No Obama comments, no Eric holder taking care of business.

No Police chief is fired.

The guy was never arrested nothing happen.

The family is still trying to gather signature and petition their case.

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2012/04/daniel-adkins-killer-claims-self.html

My point is just coz of all these circus, it does not mean Zimmerman is guilty and now someone coming forward and claims abuse and everyone jumps again.

Once again, you're responding to comments I'm not making. Stick with the actual words instead of putting more in my mouth. It'll help our conversation flow a little easier.

All I said was that this case had national attention before Obama answered a question about it. The end.