Eric Holder says Texas ID law would harm minorities

[kytwell 179]

Yes, I'm aware of the rules. You need a birth certificate for an ID and you need an ID for a birth certificate.

You haven't explained about how to get the SS card... Imagine that. What's the matter? All of a sudden you stopped enjoying making lists?

I like proving the dishonest wrong. I have already proved you wrong or at the least that you like to mislead; in this thread. You keep changing the parameters and continue to make up more asinine scenario's to be able to fit some convoluted, irrational, illogical way of thinking.

When I got divorced I was able to get replacement birth certs and social security cards for my 3 children, they had no photo ID's, work cards or school ID's. So it is possible. It's also possible to all the people who have their homes destroyed daily in fires and lose all documents and possessions.

But to answer your question, take the SNAP/EBT card and utility bill, (or have a child, sibling, parent, etc. who does have a valid photo ID) and go get your birth certificate. Got it, you will now have your birth certificate. Then take your birth certificate to go get a US passport. Now take said passport and birth cert and go get your Social security card replacement. Problem solved! I advised you earlier:

Every one of us didn't have a picture ID before we had a picture ID. Figure it out!

I already posted how to get a birth cert in your state. But to refresh your memory:

Source: http://msdh.ms.gov/phs/forms/Form%20522E_20110318.pdf

This is how to get a passport:

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport

Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*

Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth

Naturalization Certificate

Certificate of Citizenship

If you cannot present primary identification, you must submit as much secondary identification as possible.

A Combination of Identifying Documents

Present a combination of documents that can be used to verify your personal identity. These documents are not acceptable as secondary identification when presented alone.

Example: Social Security Card + Credit Card + Employee ID + Library Card

An Identifying Witness

An identifying witness is a person who can swear to your identity. He or she must:

Be present at the time of application

Have known you for at least 2 years

Be a U.S. citizen or permanent resident

Have valid ID

Fill out Form DS-71: Affidavit of Identifying Witness in the presence of a Passport Agent

NOTE: Form DS-71 is only available at your local Acceptance Facility or a Passport Agency.

Source: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#step3first

To get a SS replacement:

Citizenship

If you have not already established your U.S. citizenship with us, we need to see proof of U.S. citizenship. We can accept only certain documents as proof of U.S. citizenship. These include a U.S. birth certificate or U.S. passport.

Identity

We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. For example, as proof of identity Social Security must see your:

U.S. driver’s license;

State-issued nondriver identification card; or

U.S. passport.

Source: http://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/ss5doc.htm#r-a-us-documents

Critical thinking, problem solving and initiative are how I do things. Others like to use the "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull!@#$" tactic.

So, please don't come back with anymore Dr. Seuss scenario's. The overwhelming majority of problems/issues can be solved, we just need to open our eyes and set mind to purpose.

Edited July 12, 2012 by kytwell

[Danno 1,228]

Someone with more time than me should post a poll.

I want to know how many people actually believe in Eric (my people) Holders position on this...... that this is aimed at keeping real honest voters from voting due to their race.

[Teddy B 17,252]

It's quite simple really.

If you are a United States Citizen and are a normal, functioning, law abiding member of society, you will have an id. If you do not fall in to the category above, then you probably shouldn't be walking the streets, let alone voting.

I have yet to hear a reasonable response from anyone as to why every USC should not be required to have a photo id.

[JohnR! 5,495]

1342098364[/url]' post='5518479']

It's quite simple really.

If you are a United States Citizen and are a normal, functioning, law abiding member of society, you will have an id. If you do not fall in to the category above, then you probably shouldn't be walking the streets, let alone voting.

I have yet to hear a reasonable response from anyone as to why every USC should not be required to have a photo id.

Because there are no laws requiring that US citizens must have a photo ID to prove thei citizenship just 'cause. The federal government does require proof of citizenship when you apply for some benefits or other circumstances. Voting is not one of them. The police state of Texas may have enacted a law which may prove to be impossible to enforce and may abridge the rights of its citizens. Hopefully a federal court will hear the case and make a ruling.

Indeed, it is quite simple. If only people understood how our laws worked...

Edited July 12, 2012 by Gegel

[Teddy B 17,252]

Because there are no laws requiring that US citizens must have a photo ID to prove thei citizenship just 'cause. The federal government does require proof of citizenship when you apply for some benefits or other circumstances. Voting is not one of them. The police state of Texas may have enacted a law which may prove to be impossible to enforce and may abridge the rights of its citizens. Hopefully a federal court will hear the case and make a ruling.

Indeed, it is quite simple. If only people understood how our laws worked...

Thank you for explaining the obvious. The question is, why shouldn't every US citizen be required to have a photo id? Why shouldn't there be a law requiring this?

[JohnR! 5,495]

1342099239[/url]' post='5518498']

Thank you for explaining the obvious. The question is, why shouldn't every US citizen be required to have a photo id? Why shouldn't there be a law requiring this?

First and most obvious of all, because there is no such thing as a national photo ID so the law would be without purpose.

[Teddy B 17,252]

First and most obvious of all, because there is no such thing as a national photo ID so the law would be without purpose.

Like I said, I have yet to hear a reasonable response from anyone as to why every USC should not be required to have a photo id.

[JohnR! 5,495]

1342100160[/url]' post='5518522']

Like I said, I have yet to hear a reasonable response from anyone as to why every USC should not be required to have a photo id.

Perhaps that is because you cannot actually make a reasonable case as to why every USC should have it.

The reason such law would be void is because there is no national photo ID.

It would be very interesting if they passed a law requiring people to have something that does not exist, such as the one you propose.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Perhaps that is because you cannot actually make a reasonable case as to why every USC should have it.

The reason such law would be void is because there is no national photo ID.

It would be very interesting if they passed a law requiring people to have something that does not exist, such as the one you propose.

Ummm, universal health care didn't exist until they passed a law. Did drivers licenses exist before they passed a law that they were mandatory? Did FID cards exist before they became mandatory? A lot of things don't or didn't exist before it was made mandatory. I think you like to talk in circles to make yourself dizzy.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Ummm, universal health care didn't exist until they passed a law. Did drivers licenses exist before they passed a law that they were mandatory? Did FID cards exist before they became mandatory? A lot of things don't or didn't exist before it was made mandatory. I think you like to talk in circles to make yourself dizzy.

I wouldn't have an issue with a national photo ID but it seems that in this country, people tend to resent the idea. Not sure why but it's not a popular thing to talk about apparently.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I wouldn't have an issue with a national photo ID but it seems that in this country, people tend to resent the idea. Not sure why but it's not a popular thing to talk about apparently.

I don't think it has to be a national photo id, a state id would be fine with me. But just something that shows who you are and that you actually belong here. The only reason to be against such a thing would be for illegal activity.

[JohnR! 5,495]

1342100806[/url]' post='5518541']

Ummm, universal health care didn't exist until they passed a law. Did drivers licenses exist before they passed a law that they were mandatory? Did FID cards exist before they became mandatory? A lot of things don't or didn't exist before it was made mandatory. I think you like to talk in circles to make yourself dizzy.

None of these IDs were meant to nor do they provide proof of status or citizenship.

What you propose would require the federal government to enact a law creating a national ID card first and then making it mandatory for US citizens to carry it. Furthermore the law would need to specify the circumstances under which one should produce it. Then if this law passed, it would meet opposition from many states which would invoke the X Amendment.

One of the issues would be the provision of such national ID. Since it is mandated by the government an agency would need to manage and issue the cards. Naturally these cards would have to be provided free of charge.

Last but not least, it would be very interesting to see the reaction and position of Native Americans to the idea they should now have a FederalGovernment issued ID while ourside their tribal lands.

No wonder you are dizzy. Iin one single shot you propose the creation of a law, which might be unconstitutional, the creation of an entire new government agency and the rounding up of all Americans, for the purpose of identification, like we need a federal police state. On a lighter side, I would consider changing my name to Winston Smith.If people got so worked up about the National Health Care reform, can you imagine what the reaction to this type of law would be?

1342101625[/url]' post='5518566']

I don't think it has to be a national photo id, a state id would be fine with me. But just something that shows who you are and that you actually belong here. The only reason to be against such a thing would be for illegal activity.

Alas, it must be a national ID. The states cannot vouch for citizenship or immigration status. That is reserved to the Federal Government by the Constitution.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I don't think it has to be a national photo id, a state id would be fine with me. But just something that shows who you are and that you actually belong here. The only reason to be against such a thing would be for illegal activity.

There would have to be minimum national standards for such ID, however, to ensure that such ID is issued by the states based on certain minimum documentation standards.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

There would have to be minimum national standards for such ID, however, to ensure that such ID is issued by the states based on certain minimum documentation standards.

You mean like the Real ID Act? So far, all but four states (Washington, Illinois, Utah, New Mexico) are complying, with Washington offering the option to purchase an ID that meets the standards of the act.

[Teddy B 17,252]

There would have to be minimum national standards for such ID, however, to ensure that such ID is issued by the states based on certain minimum documentation standards.

All states issue their own id's now, nothing has to change, just make it mandatory for everyone to have one. The age of 16 would be a good place to start. Give people the option to get a state id if they opt not to get a drivers license.