Russian bombers intercepted off of West Coast

[JohnR! 5,495]

1341868324[/url]' post='5512682']

some of us know the difference between a bear, a backfire, and a blinder - hence why we're not worried about this incident.

Consider it is the incident that never was because the Russian planes never entered US airspace according to the snippet which is the basis of this thread. They were never intercepted because they kept their flight plan within the boundaries of their country.

But then again, when you look at it this way it takes away from the hyperbolic excess required to make something out of nothing...

It's no different than Louis XIV alleged 'I almost had to wait' ...

1341875141[/url]' post='5512898']

You know what is even funnier than your "front Porch remark... The fact that you poking fun at a "front Porch" remark she never made. It was a Saturday Night Live skit, and not what Palin said. Of course most liberals in America as, usual never let the truth stop them from forming an opinion..

What Palin actually said was that "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska": which is true.

Darn Liberals say the cutest things.

Yeah I know It's Bush's fault etc etc,

http://www.snopes.co...n/seealaska.asp

I never attributed the quote to Palin. You're right. You libs say the cutest things...

Edited July 9, 2012 by Gegel

[Karee 4,191]

Consider it is the incident that never was because the Russian planes never entered US airspace according to the snippet which is the basis of this thread. They were never intercepted because they kept their flight plan within the boundaries of their country.

But then again, when you look at it this way it takes away from the hyperbolic excess required to make something out of nothing...

It's no different than Louis XIV alleged 'I almost had to wait' ...

I never attributed the quote to Palin. You're right. You libs say the cutest things...

This is all coming together now. I think you and Gowon are the same person.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That's Canada, not the USA. If you don't know the difference I'l link you to a map.

From the article I quoted - now, I can link you to a reading school if need be.

"At no time did the Russian military aircraft enter Canadian or United States sovereign airspace,"

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Consider it is the incident that never was because the Russian planes never entered US airspace according to the snippet which is the basis of this thread. They were never intercepted because they kept their flight plan within the boundaries of their country.

I guess you missed the article that said there were 16 incidents in just a few months time were Russian bombers were intercepted by US and Canadian fighters. The reason they say Canadian fighters with it also is when our F-22's were pulled they had two Canadian fighter wings come to Alaska to help cover our air space.

[JohnR! 5,495]

1341880401[/url]' post='5513061']

I guess you missed the article that said there were 16 incidents in just a few months time were Russian bombers were intercepted by US and Canadian fighters.

I must have. I have only perused the unaccredited material to which the link in the OP refers. An 'article' would presume copy published by bona fide news agencies, of which there are none.

All the same, I don't give into fear mongering much too often as a personal preference.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I must have. I have only perused the unaccredited material to which the link in the OP refers. An 'article' would presume copy published by bona fide news agencies, of which there are none.

All the same, I don't give into fear mongering much too often as a personal preference.

I can understand that when a poster such as yourself is in full troll mode that they might miss some of the post on threads. It can't be easy.

Nothing about fear mongering. It's about facts. Your opinions don't equal the facts posted on this thread.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/04/airforce_pacaf_040608/ <----- and btw the air force times is legit.

[Pooky 3,830]

Consider it is the incident that never was because the Russian planes never entered US airspace according to the snippet which is the basis of this thread. They were never intercepted because they kept their flight plan within the boundaries of their country.

An intercept is made when "unidentified" aircraft approach sovereign airspace. Same thing happens around UK airspace. The Russian aircraft never enter sovereign airspace, and the interceptions are made in international airspace, with the NATO aircrew making a visual identification of the target. The Russian aircraft may be carrying weapons, but the NATO interceptors invariably are armed.

Apart from a gap in the late '90s early '00s, these sort of things have been routine occurrences. Sometimes it's a simulated attack run, as this case appears to be, and sometimes it's an ELINT flight, gathering as much information as possible on the radar emissions of the ground stations and intercepting aircraft for further analysis back in Russia. NATO uses these occasions to gauge their QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) response times.

People might laugh about the "Bear H", but most of the ones still flying are younger than the B-52s flown by the USAF, as Tupolev was still building them in the mid-'90s. You're never going to mount a sneak attack with them, but they have a range of over 8,000 miles, so, with in-flight refuelling, there aren't many places they can't reach - if only the crew aren't deaf by the time they get there.

The "Bear" is very loud. The Russians never quite got those huge turboprops' contra-rotating propellors properly synched. The resulting drone is loud, intrusive and carries for miles. I saw one at RIAT Fairford in 1994. It took off, did a wide sweep over the Wiltshire countryside, returned for one pass and then landed. And you could hear it clearly for the whole 20 minutes. It was noisy. Very noisy.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

These flights and launches serve several purposes, other than the obvious training of crews, and the testing of weapons systems. With the launches of the ICBM's in the 1980's, the Soviets's knew of the launch before the support crew at KMR usually did. When the fishing trollers showed up, you could expect to be busy, or inconvenienced, depending upon your job description. Same when the Soviets or someone else was up to something that could be observed from KMR's radars by looking over the horizon. All sides kept the world informed, so that nobody panics when a launch or a training exercise happens. It just took a little while for that information to filter down to the peons that kept the place operational.

[MyLittlePony 340]

They are board and want to start a WW3.

[slim 1,533]

Putin aint playin around. He's testing ol' Barry to see how many apologies he can get without anything actually happening.

"I am, uh, sorry, that uh, we, uh, well, that our troops, uh, that they uh, almost uh, flew close to your, uh, planes. The previous administration, uh, created this problem, and uh, I, along with the American people, will, uh, fix this even if congress, uh, isn't with us. The Russians must, uh, pay their fair share."

[JohnR! 5,495]

1341881571[/url]' post='5513113']

Nothing about fear mongering. It's about facts. Your opinions don't equal the facts posted on this thread.

http://www.airforcet...e_pacaf_040608/ <----- and btw the air force times is legit.

All the same I tend not to give into fear mongering and that's my prerogative. Some choose otherwise.

In the end it really doesn't matter.

[JohnR! 5,495]

1341889283[/url]' post='5513401']

An intercept is made when "unidentified" aircraft approach sovereign airspace. Same thing happens around UK airspace. The Russian aircraft never enter sovereign airspace, and the interceptions are made in international airspace, with the NATO aircrew making a visual identification of the target. The Russian aircraft may be carrying weapons, but the NATO interceptors invariably are armed.

Apart from a gap in the late '90s early '00s, these sort of things have been routine occurrences. Sometimes it's a simulated attack run, as this case appears to be, and sometimes it's an ELINT flight, gathering as much information as possible on the radar emissions of the ground stations and intercepting aircraft for further analysis back in Russia. NATO uses these occasions to gauge their QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) response times.

People might laugh about the "Bear H", but most of the ones still flying are younger than the B-52s flown by the USAF, as Tupolev was still building them in the mid-'90s. You're never going to mount a sneak attack with them, but they have a range of over 8,000 miles, so, with in-flight refuelling, there aren't many places they can't reach - if only the crew aren't deaf by the time they get there.

The "Bear" is very loud. The Russians never quite got those huge turboprops' contra-rotating propellors properly synched. The resulting drone is loud, intrusive and carries for miles. I saw one at RIAT Fairford in 1994. It took off, did a wide sweep over the Wiltshire countryside, returned for one pass and then landed. And you could hear it clearly for the whole 20 minutes. It was noisy. Very noisy.

LOL. The issue with the Bears is the same with all other Soviet-designed aircraft in which they have little or no sound insulation so all the noise from the engines and the air reverberates inside the cabin. I am surprised the pilots can establish any type of communications while flying them.

I agree these aircraft are very capable but they aren't the fastest gun in the Russian toolbox. They have an enormous cross section and can be seen all the way from the moon with the naked eye. Not the best way to make an entrance and most definitely I would not use one as a getaway car if I were holding up a convenience store!

Edited July 10, 2012 by Gegel

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Putin aint playin around. He's testing ol' Barry to see how many apologies he can get without anything actually happening.

Is that why Putin allowed Russian airspace to be opened up to the US military back in 2009? Was that testing ol' Barry too?

[JohnR! 5,495]

Is that why Putin allowed Russian airspace to be opened up to the US military back in 2009? Was that testing ol' Barry too?

It is widely known that Putin is a big fan of Barry's!

:rofl: :rofl: