Will the poor always be with us ?

[Captain Oates 911]

The article below describes the life of the second President's son.

If this can happen to the offspring of a man like John Adams, are we wasting our time trying to uplift the morality of the Inner Cities ?

Will the black sheep of the family always be born ?

Will the poor always be with us ?

How do we tell which one's are worth lifting up and saving, and which one's are hopeless cases ??

Charles (1770-1800)

Charles Adams Charles Adams also lived a life of instability, but, as Abigail wrote at the time of his premature death, "He was no man's enemy but his own." He spent his early years with his mother and siblings on their Braintree farm. In 1779, at age nine, he accompanied his father and elder brother, John Quincy, to Paris and Amsterdam, where Adams was negotiating the loans and treaties that enabled the Americans to continue their fight for independence from the British. Charles returned home after two years. At age 15 he entered Harvard, where he became embroiled in a scandal in which several boys were caught running naked across Harvard Yard. School records indicated that alcohol may have been involved. His parents became increasingly concerned with their son's alcohol abuse. Abigail had long viewed her son as "not [being] at peace with himself." According to biographer John Ferling, their greatest fears arose from "his alleged proclivities for consorting with men whom his parents regarded as unsavory." Charles lived in New York with Revolutionary War General Baron Friedrich von Steuben, who some historians believe to have been homosexual, and was brokenhearted when von Steuben, many decades his senior, moved to upstate New York. A lawyer in New York City -- he had apprenticed under Alexander Hamilton -- Charles eventually married Sally Smith, Nabby's sister-in-law. Charles soon fell into a speedy decline. Like his brother-in-law, William Smith, Charles speculated in shady financial schemes, at one point losing thousands of dollars belonging to John Quincy. His problems with alcohol escalated. By 30 Charles had abandoned his law practice and his family. Sally and their daughters, Susanna and Abbe, moved in first with Nabby and then with Abigail. On November 30, 1800, Charles Adams died in New York City. During their travels together, Adams had written to Abigail of his middle son: "He is a delightful little fellow. I love him too much." But toward the end of his demise, Adams saw him as morally deficient, "a Madman possessed of the Devil." He swore in 1798 never to see his son again, a promise that he kept.

[Darnell 8,478]

alchohol costs money. do the poor have money for alcohol?

[Captain Oates 911]

alchohol costs money. do the poor have money for alcohol?

They sho do and they always did

they sell their kidneys if they have to

burgle, steal, sell their bodies or beg off their dad

[Operator 1,927]

Ever seen a homeless guy with a bottle of Thunderbird?

[Captain Oates 911]

Ever seen a homeless guy with a bottle of Thunderbird?

I had to Google that..

“The 27-year-old Poulsbo woman told police officers she promised sexual favors to a man if he bought her alcohol early Wednesday morning. But after getting two bottles of inexpensive fortified wine, she used one to hit him in the forehead…There they found the 48-year-old Seattle man with two large gashes on his forehead from a bottle of Thunderbird wine.“

[Darnell 8,478]

I had to Google that..

Welcome to USA. Please study more about our culture whilst you are complaining about it. Thanks in advance !

[Captain Oates 911]

Welcome to USA. Please study more about our culture whilst you are complaining about it. Thanks in advance !

Luckily, I am able to be loud and vulgar and aggressive at will, and so I feel quite at home !

I am unable to undo my learning and become ignorant, and so I stay in the northern states

[rocks 494]

Welcome to USA. Please study more about our culture whilst you are complaining about it. Thanks in advance !

Thunderbird is considered "culture"?

[Darnell 8,478]

Luckily, I am able to be loud and vulgar and aggressive at will, and so I feel quite at home !

I am unable to undo my learning and become ignorant, and so I stay in the northern states

Please report back after you served your 40 hours of community service at a homeless shelter. Thanks ! I looked forward to your written report !

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Thunderbird is considered "culture"?

I was wondering that too. Not where I'm from. If I choose to imbibe, I prefer a flinty Sancerre but a nice G&T is always welcome.

[rocks 494]

I was wondering that too. Not where I'm from. If I choose to imbibe, I prefer a flinty Sancerre but a nice G&T is always welcome.

How cultured of you.

[Operator 1,927]

Luckily, I am able to be loud and vulgar and aggressive at will, and so I feel quite at home !

I am unable to undo my learning and become ignorant, and so I stay in the northern states

I've enjoyed reading your many posts these past few days and while I don't agree with everything you have said you seemed to be fairly well educated and thoughtful.

I guess I was wrong; an educated and thoughtful person doesn't denigrate an entire region of a country. To me that seems ignorant.

[rocks 494]

I've enjoyed reading your many posts these past few days and while I don't agree with everything you have said you seemed to be fairly well educated and thoughtful.

I guess I was wrong; an educated and thoughtful person doesn't denigrate an entire region of a country. To me that seems ignorant.

If you aren't ignorant, why take offense? I live in the deep south and I am not offended at all.

[Operator 1,927]

If you aren't ignorant, why take offense? I live in the deep south and I am not offended at all.

I'm not at all offended. I'm simply stating that my opinion of the OP has changed from being educated and thoughtful to being ignorant.

Did my post seem as though I was offended?

I would have made the same comment if he had said that he wouldn't move to Northern Ireland for fear of becoming a terrorist.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Operator

[Captain Oates 911]

I was wondering that too. Not where I'm from. If I choose to imbibe, I prefer a flinty Sancerre but a nice G&T is always welcome.

temptress

I voted for Washington State to get rid of "State Liquor Stores"

I won

So now its gets sold by Costco and the supermarkets - its privatized

So then the state whacks on a huge state tax onto GIN to mop up (+ + +)the lower price in the supermarkets !

I just got out it time

I will be a founder member of the GIN PARTY

to heck with TEA

I've enjoyed reading your many posts these past few days and while I don't agree with everything you have said you seemed to be fairly well educated and thoughtful.

I guess I was wrong; an educated and thoughtful person doesn't denigrate an entire region of a country. To me that seems ignorant.

Ignorant is the opposite of 'informed'

I have been kicking around the southern states since 1983 - and you ?