Hand Guns

[slim 1,514]

We have signs here that prohibit guns in certain businesses. Believe it or not, there are still shootings at those places. How is that possible?

[Captain Oates 910]

The pics would be similar in nature to white politicians who forward racist jokes, get caught and then claim they have a black friend and will even do a press conference with a few on stage, within camera range.

That is a real head shaker

How is me being required to prove to you that I have guns, in any way similar to ' politicians racist jokes' and 'black friends'

.. I await your next specious link to your lack of evidence of my guns being an indication of child pornography or dog fighting

It's all getting a bit surreal for me

[rocks 494]

That is a real head shaker

How is me being required to prove to you that I have guns, in any way similar to ' politicians racist jokes' and 'black friends'

.. I await your next specious link to your lack of evidence of my guns being an indication of child pornography or dog fighting

It's all getting a bit surreal for me

I'm a little confused by this too.

[kytwell 179]

That is a real head shaker

How is me being required to prove to you that I have guns, in any way similar to ' politicians racist jokes' and 'black friends'

.. I await your next specious link to your lack of evidence of my guns being an indication of child pornography or dog fighting

It's all getting a bit surreal for me

You producing some anecdotal evidence to the contrary after everything that led up to it, showed your true feeling on the subject.

[웃 910]

What is truly needed is harsher punishements for violent crimes, and less codling of inmates in our prison system. Take away the Cable TV, Internet, phone priviledges as rights, and make them priviledges to be earned. Make the inmates work to support and feed themselves and therefor reduce the burdon on the Tax payer who is victimized by these criminals a second time.

Have you been to jail? Anyone who thinks that jail is this fun place filled with entertainment has never been there. You're treated worse than a zoo animal.

Internet? What jail is that?

[Ban Hammer 13,137]

We have signs here that prohibit guns in certain businesses. Believe it or not, there are still shootings at those places. How is that possible?

criminals can't read?

[Captain Oates 910]

You producing some anecdotal evidence to the contrary after everything that led up to it, showed your true feeling on the subject.

Just to summarize at this point, I have always been a shooter and in the US I take advantage of the lack of gun laws to get all the kit I couldn't buy in the UK

However, I do feel that the US would be better off without handguns and I would gladly hand mine in if it became the law

I wouldn't bomb a government building

I wouldn't shoot the police officer who came for them

I would simply spend more time rifle shooting (at plain paper targets ) and possibly do some clay pigeon shooting

There is no point me giving up my handguns while they are so generally available - but I would hand them in with the hope that it might save innocent life

Some people would kill government representatives and bomb government buildings - I am not one of them

I would advance the policy by VERY heavy penalties for possessors, occasional amnesties, and a buy-in of all hand guns out there

Hope that clears up any confusion

[Teddy B 17,251]

Just to summarize at this point, I have always been a shooter and in the US I take advantage of the lack of gun laws to get all the kit I couldn't buy in the UK

However, I do feel that the US would be better off without handguns and I would gladly hand mine in if it became the law

I wouldn't bomb a government building

I wouldn't shoot the police officer who came for them

I would simply spend more time rifle shooting (at plain paper targets ) and possibly do some clay pigeon shooting

There is no point me giving up my handguns while they are so generally available - but I would hand them in with the hope that it might save innocent life

Some people would kill government representatives and bomb government buildings - I am not one of them

I would advance the policy by VERY heavy penalties for possessors, occasional amnesties, and a buy-in of all hand guns out there

Hope that clears up any confusion

If you feel that strongly on this issue, then why not lead by example and be the fine upstanding American citizen you claim to be, and go turn them in? You have already made every arguement upside down and sideways as to why hand guns are not needed, so why not show everyone just how serious you are. Why do you allow the law to be your crutch? Just do it! According to you, you can keep your shotguns and rifles, and protect yourself just fine. I'm sure you could call the local papers and get yourself on the front page shaking the Mayor's hand with the caption "model citizen" above the pic. Then you can post the pic here for everyone to see just how much all of these senseless lives lost at the end of a gun really mean to you.

[Captain Oates 910]

If you feel that strongly on this issue, then why not lead by example and be the fine upstanding American citizen you claim to be, and go turn them in? You have already made every arguement upside down and sideways as to why hand guns are not needed, so why not show everyone just how serious you are. Why do you allow the law to be your crutch? Just do it! According to you, you can keep your shotguns and rifles, and protect yourself just fine. I'm sure you could call the local papers and get yourself on the front page shaking the Mayor's hand with the caption "model citizen" above the pic. Then you can post the pic here for everyone to see just how much all of these senseless lives lost at the end of a gun really mean to you.

I anticipated that comment and so I specifically stated that there is no point in me handing in my handguns while they are so generally available

You even bolded that statement when you quoted me

How can you read it, bold it, and then totally ignore the statement as though I never made it ?

[Teddy B 17,251]

I anticipated that comment and so I specifically stated that there is no point in me handing in my handguns while they are so generally available

You even bolded that statement when you quoted me

How can you read it, bold it, and then totally ignore the statement as though I never made it ?

Because I disagree with it. Your statement of how generally available hand guns are is irrelelevant that handguns should be outlawed and you would turn yours in if it was law. Why is the law stopping you from doing what you so strongly believe in? Why not answer my question? Why not show everyone just how serious you are and how much of a model citizen you are and turn in your handguns? One would think that if you really felt as strongly as you say you do, that you would want to be a leader in this crusade to save so many lives. So c'mon, put up!

Edited July 6, 2012 by Teddy B

[kytwell 179]

criminals can't read?

Because I disagree with it. Your statement of how generally available hand guns are is irrelelevant that handguns should be outlawed and you would turn yours in if it was law. Why is the law stopping you from doing what you so strongly believe in? Why not answer my question? Why not show everyone just how serious you are and how much of a model citizen you are and turn in your handguns? One would think that if you really felt as strongly as you say you do, that you would want to be a leader in this crusade to save so many lives. So c'mon, put up!

I used up my daily quota of +1's so I am relegated to thumbs up symbols.

I do feel that the US would be better off without handguns and I would gladly hand mine in if it became the law

Hope that clears up any confusion

I am not confused at all.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.”

Benjamin Franklin

[Captain Oates 910]

Because I disagree with it. Your statement of how generally available hand guns are is irrelelevant that handguns should be outlawed and you would turn yours in if it was law. Why is the law stopping you from doing what you so strongly believe in? Why not answer my question? Why not show everyone just how serious you are and how much of a model citizen you are and turn in your handguns? One would think that if you really felt as strongly as you say you do, that you would want to be a leader in this crusade to save so many lives. So c'mon, put up!

Wow it is so difficult to get you to understand this point.

Oh well, here goes again:

A If I hand my handgun in, what difference would that make to gun crime in the USA ? You are right - none

B If ALL handguns did not exist in the USA, what difference would that make to gun crime ?

My proposition is that it would make a lot of difference.

Gang members and drug addicts etc often hang out with hand guns on them. Many of the crimes they commit with those guns are not pre-meditated many hours in advance but they are impulsive or drug inspired or both. Hanging around all day with a long gun or even a sawn-off shotgun is not practical for these people

I conclude that removing all handguns from the scene is bound to be helpful in reducing gun crime

[rocks 494]

A If I hand my handgun in, what difference would that make to gun crime in the USA ? You are right - none

B If ALL handguns did not exist in the USA, what difference would that make to gun crime ?

It's pretty simple. A child could understand what you mean.

[natty bumppo 289]

Surely you don't mean that you don't believe me ? You want me to spend Friday getting all my guns out, photographing them with me behind them (on timer) (with today's newspaper in the background)and then upload them to the internet and then link to them in a post ?

All to convince you that I am a shooter ?

..and then how could I prove to your satisfaction that I had my first 12 bore shotgun at age 13 and my first firearms certificate at 17 ?

My nearest notary is 15 miles away so it seems a lot of work...

Just don't believe me, that's easier.

it's actually kinda weird that you felt the need to post the contents of your storage container (closet?) ...

[Ban Hammer 13,137]

Wow it is so difficult to get you to understand this point.

Oh well, here goes again:

A If I hand my handgun in, what difference would that make to gun crime in the USA ? You are right - none

B If ALL handguns did not exist in the USA, what difference would that make to gun crime ?

is gun crime committed only with handguns?

if handguns were removed from the scenario, would other types of guns be used to take their place?