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[Anyta Holland 1]

... or married fat women (this is not a love marriage ) trust me ...

So does that mean that fat women have no right to be loved by someone?

Waste of time pointing this out, but I just couldn't help myself!

Think before you post!

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Fat women are to be ridiculed and/or ignored until they die. Its obvious that anyone more than 5 lbs overweight (10 at the most) doesn't deserve love or happiness or to meet someone they get along with and have fun with. Also, it's pretty obvious that love is based upon a person's physical appearence, so anyone who doesn't conform with American movie-starlet stick-thinness (which is, obviously, the only understanding of beauty anyone can possibly have), could never be loved by anyone. Thus, any overweight person who is married to a foreigner is clearly being used by that person for entrance into the USA. DUH, Anyta! lol

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How come I didn't see this before?????

Thanks for opening my eyes Karen_L, and for making me envision what life for women is all about! Gosh I have been leaving a lie all my life!

I need to go home and tell my husband that we need a divorce, since I am overweight he must have been pretending for the past 4 years!

Edited October 18, 2006 by Anyta Holland

[Traviesa 0]

Thank God we know this now! How could we have all been so blind? Wake up VJers!

I just want to add that one only needs to come to Newport Beach to see that marrying for money or social status is not unique to foreign spouses. Marriage is as much a farce with some Americans as it is for anyone else. Unfortunately there are no laws against marrying someone to better one's life ...and in a sense, aren't we all doing just that?

hee hee hee, I've, uh, seen the OC... But in the same vein, I think most people aren't THAT naive, and they probably know that there is a reason their spouse was specifically contacting Americans from an internet cafe in Algeria, joined a dating service to meet American men touring Eastern Europe, or a web site to meet Filipinas. Even if it is an arrangement, who are we to judge and say that those people shouldn't be happy with a relationship that may have started with desire for a greencard and blossomed into something else?

The institution of marriage is changing, and it's not harming America any to allow legal immigrants to enter our country for the purpose of making a better life for themselves.

Hm, this is kind of incoherent...I swear I had a point in there somewhere...

I mostly agree with Alex on this one.....except I strongly disagree with the bit in red. I think the problem really lies in the aftermath....many times in the case of a fraudulent marriage, the couple is not on the same page. The non-USC comes over and 'is not the same person' or (s)he disappears, only to leave the USC thinking '#######???' The USC gets their heart broken, and are sitting there in bewilderment in ####### happened while the non-USC enjoys benefits of destroying a person's heart, dreams, etc. It makes me very sad because in a lot of instances, it's so sad how the USC has built this relationship up so much in his/her mind, and then when it's not the way it should be, it prolly shakes up his/her whole world.

It's like seeing a book turned into a movie.....sometimes what is there is not what you had envisioned in your mind.

I think that especially given the whole Affadavit of support angle....that USCs should be especially diligent in making sure they really know their partners and who they are vouching for. Yes, we can all use the justification of 'it happens anyway' and while that may be true, it's not really relevant. 'But mom, everyone is doing it' springs to mind.

If both people are on the same page...then hey...who's for anyone to say what's right and what's wrong...as long as both parties hold to their end of the bargain.....The people who take advantage of someone's heart and rides his/her coattails of hard work only to let that person down is a selfsih azzhole and deserves to be deported.

I totally agree with that. I think it doesn't hurt if the petitioner kind of knows what's going on. Or they know that their spouse was initially interested in them because of their nationality... I guess that could be ok. But in those cases where the beneficiary just screws the petitioner over, and really has been lying the whole time... those people are disgusting and ruthless.

But isn't it still marriage fraud? Even if the petitioner knows what's going on? Doesn't that actually make it worse, in a way?

[Fandango 1,439]

Thank God we know this now! How could we have all been so blind? Wake up VJers!

I just want to add that one only needs to come to Newport Beach to see that marrying for money or social status is not unique to foreign spouses. Marriage is as much a farce with some Americans as it is for anyone else. Unfortunately there are no laws against marrying someone to better one's life ...and in a sense, aren't we all doing just that?

hee hee hee, I've, uh, seen the OC... But in the same vein, I think most people aren't THAT naive, and they probably know that there is a reason their spouse was specifically contacting Americans from an internet cafe in Algeria, joined a dating service to meet American men touring Eastern Europe, or a web site to meet Filipinas. Even if it is an arrangement, who are we to judge and say that those people shouldn't be happy with a relationship that may have started with desire for a greencard and blossomed into something else?

The institution of marriage is changing, and it's not harming America any to allow legal immigrants to enter our country for the purpose of making a better life for themselves.

Hm, this is kind of incoherent...I swear I had a point in there somewhere...

I mostly agree with Alex on this one.....except I strongly disagree with the bit in red. I think the problem really lies in the aftermath....many times in the case of a fraudulent marriage, the couple is not on the same page. The non-USC comes over and 'is not the same person' or (s)he disappears, only to leave the USC thinking '#######???' The USC gets their heart broken, and are sitting there in bewilderment in ####### happened while the non-USC enjoys benefits of destroying a person's heart, dreams, etc. It makes me very sad because in a lot of instances, it's so sad how the USC has built this relationship up so much in his/her mind, and then when it's not the way it should be, it prolly shakes up his/her whole world.

It's like seeing a book turned into a movie.....sometimes what is there is not what you had envisioned in your mind.

I think that especially given the whole Affadavit of support angle....that USCs should be especially diligent in making sure they really know their partners and who they are vouching for. Yes, we can all use the justification of 'it happens anyway' and while that may be true, it's not really relevant. 'But mom, everyone is doing it' springs to mind.

If both people are on the same page...then hey...who's for anyone to say what's right and what's wrong...as long as both parties hold to their end of the bargain.....The people who take advantage of someone's heart and rides his/her coattails of hard work only to let that person down is a selfsih azzhole and deserves to be deported.

I totally agree with that. I think it doesn't hurt if the petitioner kind of knows what's going on. Or they know that their spouse was initially interested in them because of their nationality... I guess that could be ok. But in those cases where the beneficiary just screws the petitioner over, and really has been lying the whole time... those people are disgusting and ruthless.

But isn't it still marriage fraud? Even if the petitioner knows what's going on? Doesn't that actually make it worse, in a way?

I dunno really...what is love? Seriously....I know what love is to me, and what my marriage signifies, but to others? Could you have a successful marriage out of a mutually beneficial partnership without being 'in love'? Maybe, I dunno. If there's a mutual respect and fondness for each other, and they want to spend their lives together, how can that be wrong?

[Traviesa 0]

Thank God we know this now! How could we have all been so blind? Wake up VJers!

I just want to add that one only needs to come to Newport Beach to see that marrying for money or social status is not unique to foreign spouses. Marriage is as much a farce with some Americans as it is for anyone else. Unfortunately there are no laws against marrying someone to better one's life ...and in a sense, aren't we all doing just that?

hee hee hee, I've, uh, seen the OC... But in the same vein, I think most people aren't THAT naive, and they probably know that there is a reason their spouse was specifically contacting Americans from an internet cafe in Algeria, joined a dating service to meet American men touring Eastern Europe, or a web site to meet Filipinas. Even if it is an arrangement, who are we to judge and say that those people shouldn't be happy with a relationship that may have started with desire for a greencard and blossomed into something else?

The institution of marriage is changing, and it's not harming America any to allow legal immigrants to enter our country for the purpose of making a better life for themselves.

Hm, this is kind of incoherent...I swear I had a point in there somewhere...

I mostly agree with Alex on this one.....except I strongly disagree with the bit in red. I think the problem really lies in the aftermath....many times in the case of a fraudulent marriage, the couple is not on the same page. The non-USC comes over and 'is not the same person' or (s)he disappears, only to leave the USC thinking '#######???' The USC gets their heart broken, and are sitting there in bewilderment in ####### happened while the non-USC enjoys benefits of destroying a person's heart, dreams, etc. It makes me very sad because in a lot of instances, it's so sad how the USC has built this relationship up so much in his/her mind, and then when it's not the way it should be, it prolly shakes up his/her whole world.

It's like seeing a book turned into a movie.....sometimes what is there is not what you had envisioned in your mind.

I think that especially given the whole Affadavit of support angle....that USCs should be especially diligent in making sure they really know their partners and who they are vouching for. Yes, we can all use the justification of 'it happens anyway' and while that may be true, it's not really relevant. 'But mom, everyone is doing it' springs to mind.

If both people are on the same page...then hey...who's for anyone to say what's right and what's wrong...as long as both parties hold to their end of the bargain.....The people who take advantage of someone's heart and rides his/her coattails of hard work only to let that person down is a selfsih azzhole and deserves to be deported.

I totally agree with that. I think it doesn't hurt if the petitioner kind of knows what's going on. Or they know that their spouse was initially interested in them because of their nationality... I guess that could be ok. But in those cases where the beneficiary just screws the petitioner over, and really has been lying the whole time... those people are disgusting and ruthless.

But isn't it still marriage fraud? Even if the petitioner knows what's going on? Doesn't that actually make it worse, in a way?

I dunno really...what is love? Seriously....I know what love is to me, and what my marriage signifies, but to others? Could you have a successful marriage out of a mutually beneficial partnership without being 'in love'? Maybe, I dunno. If there's a mutual respect and fondness for each other, and they want to spend their lives together, how can that be wrong?

Well, maybe if they really plan to spend their lives together, but I was thinking more along the lines of those arranged types, like I'll help you out to come to the US, that kind of thing...

[JaJo 1]

OMG!!!! I think I'll cancel my K1 petition right now!

i seen some people from other countries married old Americans 30 years older than he is even 40 years older than he is

First sign right there...he's younger than me

or married fat women (this is not a love marriage )trust me

hmmm...I've been over weight all my life, so I guess I'll just crawl into a dark hole and stay there for the rest of my life, since I don't deserve to be loved...

to have a better life because where they are from are very poor

See? Another clear sign right here.

But, ops! Wait a minute. I am the foreign one here!

Sorry if someone used you to get a GC, but sometimes it's all about love, you know?

damn your worthless fraud hide... you need to repent sister....

Oh, brother...I just wrote my fiancé and told him all about my evil plot: bringing him here, seducing him with good coffee and the wild and crazy brazilian way of life...

I'm so ashamed of my acts...that I also had to tell the whole VJ community about it

And now I ask for your forgiveness

[CarolineM 0]

people from east europe africa asia rsussia and hispanic from south africa

But remember people - ONLY THE POOR PEOPLE FROM THESE PLACES...

I've heard about those hispanics from south africa... (sarcasm here obviously!!)

Also - those with Mexican SO's...don't worry - you aren't included. The poster knows of the wealth of Mexico and left them off...phew.

I mean...i couldnt really understand more than the first sentence but that's what I got out of it,...

[Alex+R 0]

I dunno really...what is love? Seriously....I know what love is to me, and what my marriage signifies, but to others? Could you have a successful marriage out of a mutually beneficial partnership without being 'in love'? Maybe, I dunno. If there's a mutual respect and fondness for each other, and they want to spend their lives together, how can that be wrong?

Well, maybe if they really plan to spend their lives together, but I was thinking more along the lines of those arranged types, like I'll help you out to come to the US, that kind of thing...

I dunno. I'm not a fan of marriage fraud (although going through this process sort of makes you wonder why anyone does this without love, unless they are paid like 10k+ to do it) but there are all kinds of fine lines.

Is my case marriage fraud? I don't really want to be "married" but I want to live with Rey in my country. I turned 23 2 weeks ago. I'm not having a wedding and I don't have a diamond or anything. I always thought I'd stay unmarried unless I had children, so marriage for me is very much a means to an end, although that end is still a romantic relationship.

[almaty 19]

OMG!!!! I think I'll cancel my K1 petition right now!

i seen some people from other countries married old Americans 30 years older than he is even 40 years older than he is

First sign right there...he's younger than me

or married fat women (this is not a love marriage )trust me

hmmm...I've been over weight all my life, so I guess I'll just crawl into a dark hole and stay there for the rest of my life, since I don't deserve to be loved...

to have a better life because where they are from are very poor

See? Another clear sign right here.

But, ops! Wait a minute. I am the foreign one here!

Sorry if someone used you to get a GC, but sometimes it's all about love, you know?

damn your worthless fraud hide... you need to repent sister....

Oh, brother...I just wrote my fiancé and told him all about my evil plot: bringing him here, seducing him with good coffee and the wild and crazy brazilian way of life...

I'm so ashamed of my acts...that I also had to tell the whole VJ community about it

And now I ask for your forgiveness

you, sister, are indeed a right thinking type of lady..and witty...brother dean

[Traviesa 0]

When Javier was here, he actually had a woman offer to marry him and apply for him if he would pay her a couple thousand bucks. He didn't do it, obviously. But there are people out there who would!

[Alex+R 0]

When Javier was here, he actually had a woman offer to marry him and apply for him if he would pay her a couple thousand bucks. He didn't do it, obviously. But there are people out there who would!

Hahahaha, I bet if he'd done it, and once she found out what she would have to go through to get the visa, I bet she would have upped the price from a couple thousand dollars! Ha, that would cover meeting in Mexico...once. She wouldn't even profit...

[JaJo 1]

you, sister, are indeed a right thinking type of lady..and witty...brother dean

Thank you brother Dean ,

Jane

[Traviesa 0]

When Javier was here, he actually had a woman offer to marry him and apply for him if he would pay her a couple thousand bucks. He didn't do it, obviously. But there are people out there who would!

Hahahaha, I bet if he'd done it, and once she found out what she would have to go through to get the visa, I bet she would have upped the price from a couple thousand dollars! Ha, that would cover meeting in Mexico...once. She wouldn't even profit...

Yeah, when he told me that I knew she obviously had no idea what the Visa process would be like. She was probably one of those kinds who thought they could just get married and adjust while he was here, not realizing that's not an option for EWI. Oh, what a sad situation she would have found herself in!

[JaJo 1]

Couldn't edit my previous post...

Is my case marriage fraud? I don't really want to be "married" but I want to live with Rey in my country. I turned 23 2 weeks ago. I'm not having a wedding and I don't have a diamond or anything. I always thought I'd stay unmarried unless I had children, so marriage for me is very much a means to an end, although that end is still a romantic relationship.

Alex,

I can relate to that. Neither me nor my fiancé ever thought about marriage before. It's just too hard to feel the way we do and not be together. Most people here know how hard it is to love someone that is 5 000 miles away.

[Alex+R 0]

Couldn't edit my previous post...

Is my case marriage fraud? I don't really want to be "married" but I want to live with Rey in my country. I turned 23 2 weeks ago. I'm not having a wedding and I don't have a diamond or anything. I always thought I'd stay unmarried unless I had children, so marriage for me is very much a means to an end, although that end is still a romantic relationship.

Alex,

I can relate to that. Neither me nor my fiancé ever thought about marriage before. It's just too hard to feel the way we do and not be together. Most people here know how hard it is to love someone that is 5 000 miles away.

That is what a Brazilian will do to you.

[JaJo 1]

That is what a Brazilian will do to you.

I'm the brazilian one, but I think he'd agree with you