Religion is evil

[LaL 418]

The guy may be educated and smart when it comes to biology but he is still an idiot. Science and the belief in God are not mutually exclusive. I believe in God. I believe that he created everything. But I also believe that he did it by creating physics and the rules of the universe with the knowledge of how it would come out. This yahoo is entitled to his beliefs but to call religion evil is way out of line. He seems to think he is the smartest person in the room but IMO he is the dumbest.

I think If you and Richard Dawkins were in the same room, I know who I would think was the dumbest! Richard Dawkins is a great and very intelligent Biologist, he puts forward very interesting views and backs them up with FACTS....

all you have done is just spouted your releigious beleifs and called him an idiot..........

very convincing!!

lol

[mrsushi66 0]

I have a friend who's father is very firm in his religious beliefs and when we would discuss religion I finally realized you can't debate religion with someone so firmly set in their faith. Once simple reason, faith is all they need and all they will ever need. For them faith is logic and fact. IMO this is not wrong since it is their choice but it can't be debated.

I finally told him that we should not discuss religion because I would never shake his faith and to me faith is not fact or logic so from that point on we talked politics and human rights.

Paul misses Anna

[heishe 2]

The guy may be educated and smart when it comes to biology but he is still an idiot. Science and the belief in God are not mutually exclusive. I believe in God. I believe that he created everything. But I also believe that he did it by creating physics and the rules of the universe with the knowledge of how it would come out. This yahoo is entitled to his beliefs but to call religion evil is way out of line. He seems to think he is the smartest person in the room but IMO he is the dumbest.

I think If you and Richard Dawkins were in the same room, I know who I would think was the dumbest! Richard Dawkins is a great and very intelligent Biologist, he puts forward very interesting views and backs them up with FACTS....

all you have done is just spouted your releigious beleifs and called him an idiot..........

very convincing!!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Finite means that it is limited in its capacity to explain or understand all things. For example, even scientist's have concluded that science can only take us so far in our understanding of the physical world. Quantum physics is just one field where science has reached it's limits, and it's not just a limit, but also we are aware of the imperfections of our logic (Wittgenstein).

I know what finite means but how can something be finite when it is contantly changing and moving forward. In other words Quantum physics didnt exist until someone made a discovery and someone else built upon it. We can say we have reached our limits but history has proven that this is not the case.

Yes, but do you believe that our capacity for understanding all things is only limited by our knowledge? Or perhaps the very structure of human language and logic is such that it is impossible to completely and infinitely know everything? To me, putting ones entire faith in human logic is egocentric. Unless you believe that logic exists outside of human intellect - that it is something we merely have discovered. If so, then who put it there? What started all things? That to me is where religion is born...from our desire to embrace what cannot be understood (the infinite)...the mystery of life itself. There is a mathamatical symbol for infinity, but we say it is an imaginary number which we can never know because it is infinite - never ending. That to me is what the term God, means. The Alpha and Omega.

Edited October 18, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Sharky's forgotten that much of physics relies on laws formulated by Isaac Newton--a devout Christian!

Well, for Sharky to know that Iniibig_ko_si_Luz_forever and Dawkins were in the same room-->Sharky is also there; well, Sharky would know who's the dumbest (Sharky) all right.

[Reynaldo 0]

The guy may be educated and smart when it comes to biology but he is still an idiot. Science and the belief in God are not mutually exclusive. I believe in God. I believe that he created everything. But I also believe that he did it by creating physics and the rules of the universe with the knowledge of how it would come out. This yahoo is entitled to his beliefs but to call religion evil is way out of line. He seems to think he is the smartest person in the room but IMO he is the dumbest.

I think If you and Richard Dawkins were in the same room, I know who I would think was the dumbest! Richard Dawkins is a great and very intelligent Biologist, he puts forward very interesting views and backs them up with FACTS....

all you have done is just spouted your releigious beleifs and called him an idiot..........

very convincing!!

Are you discussing religion or God?

It seems that the guy meant religion.

And religions are really evil (any doubts: google "inquisition")

Edited October 18, 2006 by Reynaldo

[heishe 2]

One can debate whether religion is evil or not - religion tends to be based on ridiculous lies, but I think it has some positive influence as a social institution.

God is just made up, it's kinda silly to debate if he's evil or not.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The guy may be educated and smart when it comes to biology but he is still an idiot. Science and the belief in God are not mutually exclusive. I believe in God. I believe that he created everything. But I also believe that he did it by creating physics and the rules of the universe with the knowledge of how it would come out. This yahoo is entitled to his beliefs but to call religion evil is way out of line. He seems to think he is the smartest person in the room but IMO he is the dumbest.

I think If you and Richard Dawkins were in the same room, I know who I would think was the dumbest! Richard Dawkins is a great and very intelligent Biologist, he puts forward very interesting views and backs them up with FACTS....

all you have done is just spouted your releigious beleifs and called him an idiot..........

very convincing!!

Are you discussing religion or God?

It seems that the guy meant religion.

And religions are really evil (any doubts: google "inquisition")

Religion maybe used as an excuse for justifying all kinds of things, but the term 'evil' in of itself is born out of a belief system - religion. Who defines what is 'good' and what is 'evil'?

[Reynaldo 0]

Are you discussing religion or God?

It seems that the guy meant religion.

And religions are really evil (any doubts: google "inquisition")

Religion maybe used as an excuse for justifying all kinds of things, but the term 'evil' in of itself is born out of a belief system - religion. Who defines what is 'good' and what is 'evil'?

No.

I am talking about religion. Not God. Not seeing the difference between religion and God, or faith, makes the discussion pointless.

I am an atheist.

But I don't think faith is a bad thing at all. It gives people hope. That is usefull and good. But religion exploits people beliefs.

[Mirorgate 0]

One can debate whether religion is evil or not - religion tends to be based on ridiculous lies, but I think it has some positive influence as a social institution.

God is just made up, it's kinda silly to debate if he's evil or not.

You have strong faith indeed

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Are you discussing religion or God?

It seems that the guy meant religion.

And religions are really evil (any doubts: google "inquisition")

Religion maybe used as an excuse for justifying all kinds of things, but the term 'evil' in of itself is born out of a belief system - religion. Who defines what is 'good' and what is 'evil'?

No.

I am talking about religion. Not God. Not seeing the difference between religion and God, or faith, makes the discussion pointless.

I am an atheist.

But I don't think faith is a bad thing at all. It gives people hope. That is usefull and good. But religion exploits people beliefs.

I'm not sure I follow you. Faith - believing in something without proof is a good thing, but religion - a set of beliefs or truths based on faith is bad? Do you mean that faith on a personal level is positive, but when that faith becomes institutionalized into a religioin, then it can have negative reprocussions?

[Alex+R 0]

Are you discussing religion or God?

It seems that the guy meant religion.

And religions are really evil (any doubts: google "inquisition")

Religion maybe used as an excuse for justifying all kinds of things, but the term 'evil' in of itself is born out of a belief system - religion. Who defines what is 'good' and what is 'evil'?

No.

I am talking about religion. Not God. Not seeing the difference between religion and God, or faith, makes the discussion pointless.

I am an atheist.

But I don't think faith is a bad thing at all. It gives people hope. That is usefull and good. But religion exploits people beliefs.

I'm not sure I follow you. Faith - believing in something without proof is a good thing, but religion - a set of beliefs or truths based on faith is bad? Do you mean that faith on a personal level is positive, but when that faith becomes institutionalized into a religioin, then it can have negative reprocussions?

I believe that's what the fellow means. And when he says religion, I think he means organized religion. He is not a big fan of organized religion. (I am answering because he's looking for his police report online)

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Are you discussing religion or God?

It seems that the guy meant religion.

And religions are really evil (any doubts: google "inquisition")

Religion maybe used as an excuse for justifying all kinds of things, but the term 'evil' in of itself is born out of a belief system - religion. Who defines what is 'good' and what is 'evil'?

No.

I am talking about religion. Not God. Not seeing the difference between religion and God, or faith, makes the discussion pointless.

I am an atheist.

But I don't think faith is a bad thing at all. It gives people hope. That is usefull and good. But religion exploits people beliefs.

I'm not sure I follow you. Faith - believing in something without proof is a good thing, but religion - a set of beliefs or truths based on faith is bad? Do you mean that faith on a personal level is positive, but when that faith becomes institutionalized into a religioin, then it can have negative reprocussions?

I believe that's what the fellow means. And when he says religion, I think he means organized religion. He is not a big fan of organized religion. (I am answering because he's looking for his police report online)

hehehehe...I think I saw him on COPS once.

I would agree to the basic premise that institutionalizing a set of beliefs can become dogmatic and undermine an individuals capacity to arrive at truth on their own. As someone who was raised Catholic, I don't feel that from my religion, even though there are some beliefs that the Church professes, I don't feel that my faith is dictated by it, but moreso guided by it.

I would say that we all follow some set of beliefs or truths, however, and within that set, each one of us is capable of using it to justify or rationalize doing something others would call evil. Organized religion, I would hope, has a tendency of better self reflection, through discernment and consensus to avoid that problem. The problem I see with organized religion is when it focuses on one single voice for reason, while silencing all others.

[heishe 2]

One can debate whether religion is evil or not - religion tends to be based on ridiculous lies, but I think it has some positive influence as a social institution.

God is just made up, it's kinda silly to debate if he's evil or not.

You have strong faith indeed

Faith that God is made up? That's like having faith that the sun isn't black. I guess anything's possible, but some conclusions are a lot more reasonable than others.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

One can debate whether religion is evil or not - religion tends to be based on ridiculous lies, but I think it has some positive influence as a social institution.

God is just made up, it's kinda silly to debate if he's evil or not.

You have strong faith indeed

Faith that God is made up? That's like having faith that the sun isn't black. I guess anything's possible, but some conclusions are a lot more reasonable than others.

It's impossible to prove God exists or doesn't exist, but having faith in the existence of God isn't merely an imaginary thing. What is reality? Define what is real?