THE MANDATE IS CONSTITUTIONAL

[rocks 494]

You already pay for the uninsured today and have been paying for years. Your insurance premium already cover the expenses of all those who can't pay for their treatment because they either can't afford it or because they just could not be bothered to buy health insurance.

There you go presenting facts again, what are you thinking?

[JohnR! 5,495]

There you go presenting facts again, what are you thinking?

My turn for a blond moment!?

[Captain Oates 911]

Co-worker of mine from Canada has the exact opposite view of NHS there. Her mom had busted her toe and it was practically impossible to get the appointment and they were not treating her at all.

In end it was almost to point where they would have to remove the digit and after all that frustration she flew her mom to US, paid out of her pocket and got the right medical attention so her mom’s toe could be saved.

I was registered in NHS when I lived in UK, fortunately I did not had to use it but it seemed ok.

Not against NHS, but against the way the Obama care is designed, if the administration wants to create a separate service like NHS from the tax I am already paying I m ok.

The new mandatory option is where I have to purchase the insurance or I will be penalized and I have to pay for the ppl who will not purchase this mandatory insurance is a far fetched idea.

This is nothing but killing the middle class…. Its not helping middle class nor creating middle class… this is just going to burden the middle class families and bring them into poverty.

The UK has no requirement for an entitlement record before people are treated. Contributions via wages, and treatment, are totally divorced. A person can be born rich, never work, never contribute, and still get free treatment from cradle to grave, We like it like that because the morality of helping the sick trumps the morality of making sure others pay their way

The UK way of thinking about it is that sick people should be treated and the money considerations don't come into it at the time

There are plenty of people on VJ who are in favor of people dying in pain at the hospital gates if they don't take out insurance

I suppose that different cultural take on the problem is the hardest thing to change and overcome

Perhaps it never will change. The USA is a very different country with a different morality structure where money comes first in everything and everything else is supposed to fall into place according to god's plan.

It doesn't

Why didn't they take their toe to a private hospital - they have those in the UK. Cheaper than flying back and then paying US rates.

[rocks 494]

My turn for a blond moment!?

It happens to the best of us.

[rocks 494]

The UK has no requirement for an entitlement record before people are treated. Contributions via wages, and treatment, are totally divorced. A person can be born rich, never work, never contribute, and still get free treatment from cradle to grave, We like it like that because the morality of helping the sick trumps the morality of making sure others pay their way

The UK way of thinking about it is that sick people should be treated and the money considerations don't come into it at the time

There are plenty of people on VJ who are in favor of people dying in pain at the hospital gates if they don't take out insurance

I suppose that different cultural take on the problem is the hardest thing to change and overcome

Perhaps it never will change. The USA is a very different country with a different morality structure where money comes first in everything and everything else is supposed to fall into place according to god's plan.

It doesn't

Why didn't they take their toe to a private hospital - they have those in the UK. Cheaper than flying back and then paying US rates.

Don't confuse him with facts! He's just repeating a story someone told him.

[Harsh_77 718]

You already pay for the uninsured today and have been paying for years. Your insurance premium already cover the expenses of all those who can't pay for their treatment because they either can't afford it or because they just could not be bothered to buy health insurance.

Not my health insurance, my state and federal tax covers them.

I don’t think any of the private insurance company is paying for medical coverage of uninsured… they don’t get anything out of it.

[Karee 4,191]

Not my health insurance, my state and federal tax covers them.

I don’t think any of the private insurance company is paying for medical coverage of uninsured… they don’t get anything out of it.

I don't think you get it. Private insurance companies pay for it due to rising health care costs. People that don't have insurance routinely go to the emergency room when they are sick. After they are well, they leave and never pay the bill. The only way for doctors and hospitals to break even at a minimum, is to raise the costs of health care to cover the people that don't pay. The emergency room is probably the most expensive form of health care out there.

Believe me, you are paying albeit indirectly.

[rocks 494]

I don't think you get it. Private insurance companies pay for it due to rising health care costs. People that don't have insurance routinely go to the emergency room when they are sick. After they are well, they leave and never pay the bill. The only way for doctors and hospitals to break even at a minimum, is to raise the costs of health care to cover the people that don't pay. The emergency room is probably the most expensive form of health care out there.

Believe me, you are paying albeit indirectly.

All these facts...

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Someone draw the man a picture.

[Harsh_77 718]

Don't confuse him with facts! He's just repeating a story someone told him.

Yep it will confuse me and lot other....

You like the socialiast form, I don't I guess you are ok with doing what govt tell you to do.

I don't want govt to tell me if I can drink 16oz coke or I can only drink 8oz..... if I need to buy insurance or not should be personal choice.

Forcing to buy a product should not be mandatory it should be individual's choice.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Not my health insurance, my state and federal tax covers them.

I don't think any of the private insurance company is paying for medical coverage of uninsured… they don't get anything out of it.

Yes, your health insurance - and mine incidentally - are paying for the uninsured. Even if that were not so, the statement 'our state and federal tax cover them' translates into the same: We are paying for all those who choose not to buy insurance. It stands to reason, that the statement 'I have to pay for the ppl who will not purchase this mandatory insurance is a far fetched idea.'is not completely true nor is it far fetched.

However, your health insurance already includes payment for those who can't afford health care and those who choose not to have health insurance as well.

Hospitals are no different than any other business. They are in it for the money, or if run by a NGO, they need to meet their financial obligations, because even if they receive funds from the city, country or from the private community, these amounts are finite and preset, which does not give them the option to 'overrun'. In essence hospitals pass their operational costs to their clients, the insurance companies or the occasional person who actually pays for their treatment. It is no different than any other business. The only difference is that unlike everyone else they do not have the prerogative to deny service based on a person's ability to pay their bills.

To draw a parallel, this would be the equivalent of auto insurance being optional and body shops being mandated by law to repair any vehicle, despite the owner's ability to pay for the repairs. If auto insurance were optional we would see skyrocketing prices, as many would choose not to have auto insurance and roll their dice on the roads.

[Harsh_77 718]

I don't think you get it. Private insurance companies pay for it due to rising health care costs. People that don't have insurance routinely go to the emergency room when they are sick. After they are well, they leave and never pay the bill. The only way for doctors and hospitals to break even at a minimum, is to raise the costs of health care to cover the people that don't pay. The emergency room is probably the most expensive form of health care out there.

Believe me, you are paying albeit indirectly.

Com on help me understand this….. someone uninsured visit a emergency room and it cost the hospital $1000.

Next person who is visiting the emergency room uses the his medical insurance pays his bill…. Would the hospital attach the previous patient’s bill his bill and charge the insurance company?

Is insurance company going to pay that? R u kidding me all insurance company work for profit….

Hospital charges the state or Fed govt to recover the cost they had to incur for treating uninsured.

The Hospitals and Doctors charge insurance more… main reason is the malpractice lawsuits… doctors can be sued by insured or uninsured patient for negligence, doctors but a policy to cover themselves from these kinda lawsuit and they pay premium for this policy which is added to cost of the treat does not matter who it is insured or uninsured.

[JimandChristy 1,689]

Yep it will confuse me and lot other....

You like the socialiast form, I don't I guess you are ok with doing what govt tell you to do.

I don't want govt to tell me if I can drink 16oz coke or I can only drink 8oz..... if I need to buy insurance or not should be personal choice.

Forcing to buy a product should not be mandatory it should be individual's choice.

Yes but if you don't buy insurance and you cannot afford your hospital bill then by your logic the hospital should turn you away at the door and not treat you.

[JimandChristy 1,689]

Com on help me understand this….. someone uninsured visit a emergency room and it cost the hospital $1000.

Next person who is visiting the emergency room uses the his medical insurance pays his bill…. Would the hospital attach the previous patient’s bill his bill and charge the insurance company?

Is insurance company going to pay that? R u kidding me all insurance company work for profit….

Hospital charges the state or Fed govt to recover the cost they had to incur for treating uninsured.

The Hospitals and Doctors charge insurance more… main reason is the malpractice lawsuits… doctors can be sued by insured or uninsured patient for negligence, doctors but a policy to cover themselves from these kinda lawsuit and they pay premium for this policy which is added to cost of the treat does not matter who it is insured or uninsured.

Malpractice lawsuits only cost a tiny fraction of the entire health care industry something like 0.1% Its nothing.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Forcing to buy a product should not be mandatory it should be individual's choice.

it still is the individuals choice. they can buy insurance or pay the tax. its their choice.

we're paying for it anyway.....have you ever heard the stories about retail stores jacking the prices up to make up the for losses due to theft/shop lifting? its the same thing. the hospitals get stiffed on the money from people w/o insurance, so they jack the prices to the insurance company to cover their losses. the insurance company then jacks the price of insurance to people that pay for their insurance coverage.