THE MANDATE IS CONSTITUTIONAL

[Captain Oates 911]

There is a lot of class hatred in this country, in both directions. We like to pretend that's not the case but our political rhetoric says otherwise.

I'm glad you cleared that up.

ok so now it's going the way of all VJ political discussion.

When the right wing see they are being beaten by logic, they arrive en mass and accuse the other side of being mentally ill or drunk or smoking cannabis or all three

It seems this discussion has now reached this stage and I just wonder why it took so long as they have been losing for many pages now - right since the announcement yesterday actually

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ok so now it's going the way of all VJ political discussion.

When the right wing see they are being beaten by logic, they arrive en mass and accuse the other side of being mentally ill or drunk or smoking cannabis or all three

It seems this discussion has now reached this stage and I just wonder why it took so long as they have been losing for many pages now - right since the announcement yesterday actually

You keep calling me a righto on this thread. The only logical conclusion is you're either retarded or drunk or stoned.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Habitual Offender

[rocks 494]

It isn't. What is more amazing yet, is that nobody realized that with the current system and legislation, we do not have a choice not to pay for those who do not want to buy health insurance for themselves.

As the system is today, you can be a total slacker and have the rest of us pick your medical tab...

Those of us with insurance pay for those who do not have it. No one is going to go through life without needing medical treatment, so what is the excuse for not having insurance? It's like we were saying yesterday, I'm a perfect driver why should I have to pay for car insurance?

Hopefully in a week or two people the angry people will move onto complaining about something else.

[JohnR! 5,495]

It seems this discussion has now reached this stage and I just wonder why it took so long as they have been losing for many pages now - right since the announcement yesterday actually

It is a logical impossibility for anyone to lose in an opinion forum.

There is no winning or losing because this is not a competition. It is just a place for people to expose their ideas, so the notion someone can actually win is sophomoric, at best.

[Captain Oates 911]

You keep calling me a righto on this thread. The only logical conclusion is you're either retarded or drunk or stoned.

Would you like to report yourself or should I assist ?

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Those of us with insurance pay for those who do not have it. No one is going to go through life without needing medical treatment, so what is the excuse for not having insurance? It's like we were saying yesterday, I'm a perfect driver why should I have to pay for car insurance?

Hopefully in a week or two people the angry people will move onto complaining about something else.

Guns. Mexico. They'll always have that (well, until November anyway).

Would you like to report yourself or should I assist ?

Go for it, homeboy.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Those of us with insurance pay for those who do not have it. No one is going to go through life without needing medical treatment, so what is the excuse for not having insurance? It's like we were saying yesterday, I'm a perfect driver why should I have to pay for car insurance?

Hopefully in a week or two people the angry people will move onto complaining about something else.

I think we are long overdue for a 'birther cult' revival.

[rocks 494]

Guns. Mexico. They'll always have that (well, until November anyway).

It must take a lot of energy for them to be so hateful. What a terrible life.

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I think we are long overdue for a 'birther cult' revival.

Obama's mom was actually part of a KGB sleeper cell.

[rocks 494]

I think we are long overdue for a 'birther cult' revival.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You don't get it - the Brits on here are not saying Britain is better - they are saying that socialized health is better.

Many are US citizens and want the best for the US as they have made their lives here with their families. They would be un-patriotic to the US if they knew of a better life for the US and then didn't promote it. That would be like your doctor knowing of a life saving pill for you, and keeping quiet.

What you don't realize is that the USA has NEVER beaten it's own path forward, it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first world countries

All the advances in US society have been bitterly resisted by the right wingers, plenty examples of whom are alive and posting on VJ today

If the right wingers had prevailed, there would be no social security for seniors. No medicare. Slavery would still be alive and you would be able to buy Oprah for $50. Sarah Palin would not be allowed to vote and Barack's mother would have been jailed for kissing a black man.

Right wingers should reconsider their positions in the light of this. Do they really want the USA to look like that ?

(I KNOW that some do)

That is an appeal to reason which is bound to fail and so I am with Aneuren Bevan and now it's unarmed civil war in which every right winger must be crushed by any legal means.

My mother, was one of these not-rich conservatives who fawn before the rich, and she was merciless (except with her own)

She was a part-time tea lady in engineering works and yet she voted against liberal politics and gave her vote to her oppressors who treated her like slave! Of course she accepted hundreds of thousands FOR HERSELF when she was in need of State aid

Its the same in the US and my wife's mother is a right winger living on next to nothing. She is from the South and wants to make sure black people get nothing - she is prepared to do herself out of benefits to achieve that

I find that incomprehensible. Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

Take my son and kill him in a stupid foreign war - I look forward to being proud as I see his body wrapped in the flag

Repeal all social advances that might benefit me so long as it makes sure black people don't gain anything

I will never understand these people and I will never be able to change their twisted mind-set, and so the only rational response is to beat on them harder than they beat on us until they are at least driven into a permanent minority

Treating the sick without checking their wallet first was a concept that was alive and well in Palestine 2000 years ago, and its ironic that the biggest flag wavers for jesus H christ in America, are people who work every day against the social policies he advocated

ps he wasn't a Brit

I'm not sure excatly what it is that "I don't get". I am in favor of a universal healthcare plan, just not this universal healthcare plan. The US healthcare system is far too costly and bogged down with red tape, and we've just gone and made it bigger and more costly. Is that the "progress" you want for the US? The system needed to be reformed in a big way before this step was taken. Do you think that you are the only person on the planet that has watched a close relative die a painful death?

What you don't realize is that the USA has NEVER beaten it's own path forward, it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first world countries

Really? The US has blazed it's own path to be the worlds most prominent super power in just over 200 years. What other "first world country" as you so put it, can make any such claim? We led the world in the industrial revolution and blazed the path for the technology age. Some of the greatest minds and greatest inventions in history have come from the US. During those 200 plus years, the US has both kicked Englands ####### and saved Englands #######. All of Europe would be speaking German today if it wasn't for the US. Your comment is as ignorant as you are. Quite honestly, I'm not sure why you want to remain in a country that you view to be so slow in catching up with the rest of the world. If it's that much better out there, then by all means, go. Wouldn't it be so much easier for you to go back to your "first world country" and die in peace there, than try to change a foreign land into the country you left?

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Really? The US has blazed it's own path to be the worlds most prominent super power in just over 200 years. What other "first world country" as you so put it, can make any such claim? We led the world in the industrial revolution and blazed the path for the technology age. Some of the greatest minds and greatest inventions in history have come from the US. During those 200 plus years, the US has both kicked Englands ####### and saved Englands #######. All of Europe would be speaking German today if it wasn't for the US. Your comment is as ignorant as you are. Quite honestly, I'm not sure why you want to remain in a country that you view to be so slow in catching up with the rest of the world. If it's that much better out there, then by all means, go. Wouldn't it be so much easier for you to go back to your "first world country" and die in peace there, than try to change a foreign land into the country you left?

I'm likely gonna get thread banned, so dog him on that point willya?

[Captain Oates 911]

Guns. Mexico. They'll always have that (well, until November anyway).

Go for it, homeboy.

With your level of nasty name calling, I can see why your handle is "Habitual Offender"

What I don't understand is what you are doing on VJ - are you under house arrest ?

If you want to debate at the level of a low class bar room, you would be better off there

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With your level of nasty name calling, I can see why your handle is "Habitual Offender"

What I don't understand is what you are doing on VJ - are you under house arrest ?

If you want to debate at the level of a low class bar room, you would be better off there

You still haven't told us precisely how "other first world countries" have "dragged" this country through the debate and passage of PPACA.

[rocks 494]

I'm not sure excatly what it is that "I don't get".

How to spell "Britain"?

We led the world in the industrial revolution

What???