THE MANDATE IS CONSTITUTIONAL

[one...two...tree 2,762]

As good as America is, it can be better. Immigrants bring diversity of thought, they help the rest of us do a better job of thinking out of the box when it comes to solving problems. It is only natural that in any country (or any organization) a certain form of thinking sets in and becomes difficult to dislodge. This is why bringing in outsiders (immigrants, or in the case of organizations consultants) works to break the mold and help us all think of solutions we may not have thought of on our own.

This is not something to be feared. It is to be welcomed.

So put aside your socialism labels and just listen. They may have something useful to say, you never know.

Why do I hear, 'Kumbaya' in the background when I read this post? Want a good deal on some bongos?

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What you don't realize is that the USA has NEVER beaten it's own path forward, it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first word countries

Please tell us, with citations, all about the role played by "other first world countries" in the debate and passage of PPACA.

Why do I hear, 'Kumbaya' in the background when I read this post? Want a good deal on some bongos?

Seeing how any Brits there are on this thread, I feel obligated to say "####### off".

(i hope i used that correctly. no, wait... i don't actually care.)

Edited June 29, 2012 by Habitual Offender

[rocks 494]

I'm pretty sure you were yucking it up laughing about brown savages wearing loin clothes on another thread so I'm not sure you should be pointing any fingers.

Excuse me?

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Excuse me?

What's the matter missy, you got a readin' problem?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What you non-natives fail to understand is that this nation was founded on the Judeo-Christian beliefs, and any good Christian knows how Jesus believed in laissez-faire economic principles and letting every man fend for himself.

[Captain Oates 911]

Please tell us, with citations, all about the role played by "other first world countries" in the debate and passage of PPACA.

Seeing how any Brits there are on this thread, I feel obligated to say "####### off".

(i hope i used that correctly. no, wait... i don't actually care.)

We know you don't care - that's your problem. Being xenophobic and small minded in Alabama in 1860 doesn't cut it nowadays - so it's your opinion that is not wanted

I will give you some small examples:

Britain repealed slavery before the USA - Google it and weep because I am right

Britain had votes for women before the USA - Google it and weep

The slide to socialized health care as pioneered by Britain is unstoppable - you lost yesterday

States are repealing or not enforcing the death sentence more and more and moving towards the standards of the first world

I could go on and on but I think I have already exposed your lack of knowledge about the unfolding history of your country

The right have been losing out since 1860 - just losing more and more every decade

They are born to lose but they still cling to their guns and god and no help for anyone ever as they go swirling down the toilet of history

Yesterday was a wonderful day - it should be a public holiday (with pay)

Edited June 29, 2012 by Ashud Cocoa

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What you don't realize is that the USA has NEVER beaten it's own path forward, it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first world countries

Please tell us, with citations, all about the role played by "other first world countries" in the debate and passage of PPACA.

I will give you some small examples:

Britain repealed slavery before the USA - Google it and weep because I am right

Britain had votes for women before the USA - Google it and weep

The slide to socialized health care as pioneered by Britain is unstoppable - you lost yesterday

States are repealing or not enforcing the death sentence more and more and moving towards the standards of the first world

I could go on and on but I think I have already exposed your lack of knowledge about the unfolding history of your country

The right have been losing out since 1860 - just losing more and more every decade

They are born to lose but they still cling to their guns and god and no help for anyone ever as they go swirling down the toilet of history

Yesterday was a wonderful day - it should be a public holiday (with pay)

I understand it is difficult to focus for a man with your condition, but do try.

I'll ask again.

You said - "... it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first world countries".

Please provide citations for the role played by "other first world countries" in the debate and passage of PPACA.

Simply pointing out that the UK did it first does not rise to the level of "being dragged screaming and complaining."

I don't think you can do this but I'm giving you a shot at it anyway. You always have the option to go have another drink and if that's what you chose to do... I fully understand.

[JohnR! 5,495]

the first world.

First World: the United States and its allies. Second World: the Soviet Union, China, and their allies. Third World: neutral and non-aligned countries.

:rofl:

Edited June 29, 2012 by Gegel

[rocks 494]

You don't get it - the Brits on here are not saying Britain is better - they are saying that socialized health is better.

Many are US citizens and want the best for the US as they have made their lives here with their families. They would be un-patriotic to the US if they knew of a better life for the US and then didn't promote it. That would be like your doctor knowing of a life saving pill for you, and keeping quiet.

What you don't realize is that the USA has NEVER beaten it's own path forward, it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first word countries

All the advances in US society have been bitterly resisted by the right wingers, plenty examples of whom are alive and posting on VJ today

If the right wingers had prevailed, there would be no social security for seniors. No medicare. Slavery would still be alive and you would be able to buy Oprah for $50. Sarah Palin would not be allowed to vote and Barack's mother would have been jailed for kissing a black man.

Right wingers should reconsider their positions in the light of this. Do they really want the USA to look like that ?

(I KNOW that some do)

That is an appeal to reason which is bound to fail and so I am with Aneuren Bevan and now it's unarmed civil war in which every right winger must be crushed by any legal means.

My mother, was one of these not-rich conservatives who fawn before the rich, and she was merciless (except with her own)

She was a part-time tea lady in engineering works and yet she voted against liberal politics and gave her vote to her oppressors who treated her like slave! Of course she accepted hundreds of thousands FOR HERSELF when she was in need of State aid

Its the same in the US and my wife's mother is a right winger living on next to nothing. She is from the South and wants to make sure black people get nothing - she is prepared to do herself out of benefits to achieve that

I find that incomprehensible. Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

Take my son and kill him in a stupid foreign war - I look forward to being proud as I see his body wrapped in the flag

Repeal all social advances that might benefit me so long as it makes sure black people don't gain anything

I will never understand these people and I will never be able to change their twisted mind-set, and so the only rational response is to beat on them harder than they beat on us until they are at least driven into a permanent minority

Treating the sick without checking their wallet first was a concept that was alive and well in Palestine 2000 years ago, and its ironic that the biggest flag wavers for jesus H christ in America, are people who work every day against the social policies he advocated

ps he wasn't a Brit

He doesn't read posts, so he isn't going to get what we are saying.

I came to the conclusion during the last election, people who vote for the republicans are rich and or racist. There is no other reason to support them.

On the day of my wedding I had to listen to my hairdresser talking to some woman about how black people had nothing before Katrina, apparently after Katrina they were handed the world on a plate, and they didn't deserve it. If they hadn't been in a place of employment they would have dropped the n-bomb for sure, people do that freely here without a care. I had just moved here so I wasn't sure what to do about this very offensive conversation, so I sat and tried not to listen to it. My husband got very angry when I told him, it didn't turn out well for her. She was poor trailer trash, not sure why she thought she was any different than anyone else who isn't rich.

There seems to be some kind of confusion over wanting to be rich and actually being rich. I saw a bumper sticker recently, I wish I had taken a picture of it. I forget the exact wording but it said that universal healthcare was "trickle up poverty". This person had a vehicle that was probably 10 years old and was doing their own groceries, clearly they aren't rich. There really are some stupid people out there. How can this possibly be a bad thing?

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:rofl:

He's not a troll, either. That just makes it all the more amusing. Dude is fo rizzle.

[Captain Oates 911]

I understand it is difficult to focus for a man with your condition, but do try.

I'll ask again.

You said - "... it has always been dragged screaming and complaining into the future by other first world countries".

Please provide citations for the role played by "other first world countries" in the debate and passage of PPACA.

Simply pointing out that the UK did it first does not rise to the level of "being dragged screaming and complaining."

I don't think you can do this but I'm giving you a shot at it anyway. You always have the option to go have another drink and if that's what you chose to do... I fully understand.

You must be getting desperate when you insinuate that I am drunk. Typical of the right wing.

Your mother ?

For doing that, you don't deserve an answer. Look at my signature below and you will see that the US move to socialized health care was predicted by Nye Bevan in 1948

[rocks 494]

What's the matter missy, you got a readin' problem?

I am not xenophobic.....................

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He doesn't read posts, so he isn't going to get what we are saying.

I came to the conclusion during the last election, people who vote for the republicans are rich and or racist. There is no other reason to support them.

On the day of my wedding I had to listen to my hairdresser talking to some woman about how black people had nothing before Katrina, apparently after Katrina they were handed the world on a plate, and they didn't deserve it. If they hadn't been in a place of employment they would have dropped the n-bomb for sure, people do that freely here without a care. I had just moved here so I wasn't sure what to do about this very offensive conversation, so I sat and tried not to listen to it. My husband got very angry when I told him, it didn't turn out well for her. She was poor trailer trash, not sure why she thought she was any different than anyone else who isn't rich.

There seems to be some kind of confusion over wanting to be rich and actually being rich. I saw a bumper sticker recently, I wish I had taken a picture of it. I forget the exact wording but it said that universal healthcare was "trickle up poverty". This person had a vehicle that was probably 10 years old and was doing their own groceries, clearly they aren't rich. There really are some stupid people out there. How can this possibly be a bad thing?

There is a lot of class hatred in this country, in both directions. We like to pretend that's not the case but our political rhetoric says otherwise.

I am not xenophobic.....................

I'm glad you cleared that up.

You must be getting desperate when you insinuate that I am drunk. Typical of the right wing.

Your mother ?

For doing that, you don't deserve an answer. Look at my signature below and you will see that the US move to socialized health care was predicted by Nye Bevan in 1948

"Predicted by" does not amount to being dragged.

You're hopeless.

[JohnR! 5,495]

There really are some stupid people out there. How can this possibly be a bad thing?

It isn't. What is more amazing yet, is that nobody realized that with the current system and legislation, we do not have a choice not to pay for those who do not want to buy health insurance for themselves.

As the system is today, you can be a total slacker and have the rest of us pick your medical tab...

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It isn't. What is more amazing yet, is that nobody realized that with the current system and legislation, we do not have a choice not to pay for those who do not want to buy health insurance for themselves.

As the system is today, you can be a total slacker and have the rest of us pick your medical tab...

And even then the results are not good.

RWNs go on and on about the ER. ERs don't provide holistic healthcare! They just stabilize and release. Then without a followup you end up right back in the ER again at great cost.