Netherlands is abandoning MULTICULTURALISM

[JohnR! 5,495]

It's odd that people are unable to control their emotions on this subject. It isn't a problem, it's just a change that they aren't used to. The recent surge of UK videos that attack immigrants really shocked me, do these people know their entire family history and where all their ancestors came from? Most likely not. Reminds me of that TV show, 100% English. Perhaps we should convince Theresa May to do that test.

As I normally say: I am not a foreigner anywhere. And I have been around the rock quite a few times!

Edited June 27, 2012 by Gegel

[Captain Oates 911]

Sorry, this isn't an example of 'multiculturalism' inside of a country. It's just your experience, nothing more.

The problem that The Netherlands is attempting to solve was vetted as a 'problem', apparently without your input. And That's OK.

Mostly, for this topic, you've veered off the point. And That's OK as well.

Can you get back to the TOPIC, though, and instead of telling what you experienced (that has nothing to do with government-allowed multiculturalism, or a government-lead reversal of this 'allowance', btw) you can tell us of your FEELINGS about The Netherlands thinking to make 'it' a requirement that Muslims 'toe the line' and in effect, abandon Sharia Law?

That would be a thing worthy of reading, IMO... You Know,,, yer FEELINGS...

Au Contraire

My experiences are totally on topic.

They might not be experiences lifted from Holland, but they are a direct parallel with the same problems and related to the same immigrant community, albeit in the UK

The problems in Holland are not unique problems in that country alone.

I think my story of seeing a place with zero immigrants, change to a place with a majority of immigrants of a very different culture, are totally relevant to this discussion

[JohnR! 5,495]

Au Contraire

My experiences are totally on topic.

They might not be experiences lifted from Holland, but they are a direct parallel with the same problems and related to the same immigrant community, albeit in the UK

The problems in Holland are not unique problems in that country alone.

I think my story of seeing a place with zero immigrants, change to a place with a majority of immigrants of a very different culture, are totally relevant to this discussion

That has been the life in the US since the first settlers arrived and IMHO it is part of the American psyche. Everyone here is from somewhere else.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Gegel

[Captain Oates 911]

It's odd that people are unable to control their emotions on this subject. It isn't a problem, it's just a change that they aren't used to. The recent surge of UK videos that attack immigrants really shocked me, do these people know their entire family history and where all their ancestors came from? Most likely not. Reminds me of that TV show, 100% English. Perhaps we should convince Theresa May to do that test.

When the Vikings came to England in the 800's they reported back that the English were a pushover. Softies, cowards and easily dispossessed.

The written records of these opinions still exist

This caused a flood of illegal immigrants from Sweden/Norway/Iceland and Denmark

The English were raped, robbed, driven off their land or killed. Half my family were probably these Vikings but I am not ready to make reparations.

This was repeated in the USA when the Europeans settled and raped/robbed/disposed and killed the American Indians

I cannot think of one example where a new power did not seriously disadvantage old power.

Look at Rhodesia /South Africa etc - The new majority (power) don't just rise in power and wealth, they TAKE from the previous holders of power. It isn't just the power they take, they disadvantage and take what the old guard once had

Is there one example in all worldwide history when the new powerholders decided to leave the old power holders with their wealth and their serene life and decided to develop themselves in parallel and in a multicultural way without grabbing what they now can grab ?

Come on you intellectuals and answer that

George W once said that humans can live in peace with the fish - but we know who decides what in that partnership

[Captain Oates 911]

That has been the life in the US since the first settlers arrived and IMHO it is part of the American psyche. Everyone here is from somewhere else.

This misses the point totally and I have to keep repeating that the only people who feel like this are people who are not being beaten down and disadvantaged by an incoming population who are now the majority

The American population (75% European descent) think they are number one at multiculturalism, but until they have been, or can imagine being, the disadvantaged minority, they simply cannot understand the issue unless they have developed the ability to see issues from other viewpoints

An American Indian or a Black Slave from 1860 would agree with me totally on this.

Imagine how they felt about the resounding success of American multiculturalism and the protection of the Constitution

[JohnR! 5,495]

This misses the point totally and I have to keep repeating that the only people who feel like this are people who are not being beaten down and disadvantaged by an incoming population who are now the majority

The American population (75% European descent) think they are number one at multiculturalism, but until they have been, or can imagine being, the disadvantaged minority, they simply cannot understand the issue unless they have developed the ability to see issues from other viewpoints

An American Indian or a Black Slave from 1860 would agree with me totally on this.

Imagine how they felt about the resounding success of American multiculturalism and the protection of the Constitution

However, the situation and condition of native Americans and blacks in the US has changed, under the protection of the same Constitution which was in effect in 1860. Looking back, I doubt a native American would have believed any of their tribes would remain alive, or any blacks would imagine their progeny living in the same 'world' as the other men.

If there were such a dire need to maintain the status quo, neither group would have seen changes to their status.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Gegel

[Captain Oates 911]

However, the situation and condition of native Americans and blacks in the US has changed, under the protection of the same Constitution which was in effect in 1860. Looking back, I doubt a native American would have believed any of their tribes would remain alive, or any blacks would imagine their progeny living in the same 'world' as the other men.

Absolutely, and I have always said that the direction of the US has been ever more liberal - all the way from its founding.

votes for blacks

votes for women

social security

medicaid

civil rights act

Obama !

However, all the benefits (such as they are) have been GIVEN to minorities and the powerless from a position of strength of the majority

The givers were rich and secure in their status

What we are debating here is a new majority which has not had wealth or power and see the new minority as not only retaining their wealth and power, put passing laws against Sharia or whatever and bearing down on them, the new majority

That's when the rubber band snaps and the new majority sweeps away the old laws that bound them and seek to take back the wealth that has been built up during their period of disadvantage. 1776 was a perfect example.

My favorite film is Quemada (simplified to 'Burn' in the US). It's a Marlon Brando film - he said it was his best.

The famous line is that freedom is never freedom if it is given - because then it must be in the giver's interests

Black Americans and American Indians say thanks for what has been 'given' to them - but if they had been in the majority and held the power, then what they have received and what the Europeans would have lost, would be of a very different magnitude

This seems to be outside of white American imagination because they have had the whip hand for so long.

The Romans were the same.

We don't have to imagine a surreal set of outcomes for the future because the history books predict the outcome with 100% certainty

The only reason the meek inherit the earth is that they are more active in bed and become the majority

[JohnR! 5,495]

Absolutely, and I have always said that the direction of the US has been ever more liberal - all the way from its founding.

The founding fathers were luminaries, what would you expect? If they were conservative or fundamentalists we would have queens and kings printed on our money and we would not be a nation.

[Captain Oates 911]

The founding fathers were luminaries, what would you expect? If they were conservative or fundamentalists we would have queens and kings printed on our money and we would not be a nation.

The UK has been far more left wing or liberal than the US despite the tourist trap queen's head on the money - so the US has lost out on all that real left wing enlightened government they could have had. In fact my $20 bill has a picture of a certain Mr Hamilton who was born British in the West Indies.

Come to think of it, all the founding fathers and Obama's dad were all born British - so they can't have been that bad.

Tony Blair was worshiped in the US (by G W at least) but was leader of the SOCIALIST party (shhh G W never told us that !)

Even the current prime minister and leader of the conservative party is committed to socialized health care and sworn to defend the NHS !

What the US could have been...

No capital punishment, universal health care, a member of the international criminal court, live beer at 52 degrees and Icelandic haddock in flour batter and cooked in beef dripping, and the ability to pronounce Edinburgh

If the US had a pretend monarch like the UK, their tourist receipts and debt would be much improved - I nominate Queen Snooki the first who represents the true popular spirit of the country

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

Angela Merkel: German multiculturalism has 'utterly failed

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/

France's Sarkozy: Multiculturalism Has Failed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

State multiculturalism in UK has failed, says David Cameron

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/02/multiculturalism_has_failed_ve.php

Multiculturalism has failed Netherlands: Verhagen

http://europeandisunion.blogspot.com/2012/04/malmo-failure-of-swedens-multicultural.html

Malmö: The Failure of Sweden's Multicultural Experiment

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/burn-in-hell-muslim-protesters-disrupt-british-veterans-day/

‘BURN IN HELL’: MUSLIM PROTESTERS DISRUPT BRITISH VETERANS DAY

Edited June 27, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Captain Oates 911]

There are cultural issues even between men and women

My wife feels physically sick if she see a car engine ! (Really) She hates boy's toys of any description.

Black and white chick flicks move me - and I have to take Imodium

All culture differences are only tolerable providing there is a balance of power or else the weak party becomes subservient in which case its not multiculturalism

When I worked in Saudi Arabia, I was told to lay on the ground and kiss my bosses feet.

I told him to go forth and multiply but he didn't understand the biblical reference

I know how multiculturalism works there

[rocks 494]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

Angela Merkel: German multiculturalism has 'utterly failed

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/

France's Sarkozy: Multiculturalism Has Failed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

State multiculturalism in UK has failed, says David Cameron

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/02/multiculturalism_has_failed_ve.php

Multiculturalism has failed Netherlands: Verhagen

http://europeandisunion.blogspot.com/2012/04/malmo-failure-of-swedens-multicultural.html

Malmö: The Failure of Sweden's Multicultural Experiment

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/burn-in-hell-muslim-protesters-disrupt-british-veterans-day/

‘BURN IN HELL’: MUSLIM PROTESTERS DISRUPT BRITISH VETERANS DAY

No response to my previous post?

[Captain Oates 911]

No response to my previous post?

The dutch should all emigrate to Northern Ireland (They have the right to do without papers) and then pull the plug in the dykes (no not them)

[rocks 494]

The dutch should all emigrate to Northern Ireland (They have the right to do without papers) and then pull the plug in the dykes (no not them)

Maybe the Dutch should go to New Orleans and build a dam that prevents hurricanes.

[Captain Oates 911]

Maybe the Dutch should go to New Orleans and build a dam that prevents hurricanes.

They are very clean people - they wouldn't like the smell of urine that always hangs over new orleans..

No public restrooms you know