Netherlands is abandoning MULTICULTURALISM

[JohnR! 5,495]

Gegel

I'm not surprised you didn't answer those questions.

If you tell me what state you are in, I will do the leg work for you.

so when you say this is a "secular country".... one must ask -Where do you live that you have found this to be true?

A: In the United Stated of America. In the First Amendment of its Constitution, to be more precise.

-Where do our Founding documents that you source claim out rights come from?

A: Their Creator, whoever/whatever he/she/it may be. Not from any particular god in the pantheon.

-Quote for me the preamble of your state Constitution.

A:

We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance, and mindful of our Hawaiian heritage and uniqueness as an island State, dedicate our efforts to fulfill the philosophy decreed by the Hawaii State motto, "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono."

We reserve the right to control our destiny, to nurture the integrity of our people and culture, and to preserve the quality of life that we desire.

We reaffirm our belief in a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and with an understanding and compassionate heart toward all the peoples of the earth, do hereby ordain and establish this constitution for the State of Hawaii. [Am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

Incidentally, the US Constitution trumps that of any of the 50 states any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

QED.

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Fukcin Hawaii, let's hear from a real amurkin state!!!

[Captain Oates 911]

See this is one reason you don't fit into the traditional American concept of the relationship between Gov't and the people, you equate the American people with an adolescent child... which must be controlled by those

superior micro managers in Washington.

When the collective people err in the path they take most often realize it and change course, when the Gov't does it, they hunker down, demand more money and even more involvement in the very thing they screwed up.

It works while everyone except the slaves are white, they are of European descent and have a vaguely European culture

However, when the incomers start cutting chickens throats in the street to perform voodoo then we pass a town/state/fed law to stop them

The US is the most un-free and law-ridden industrialized nation with laws against everything except watching Oprah and goatee beards.

Every foreign visitor notices that immediately when they step off the plane

Now all this is well and good while 75% of Americans are of European descent (they are)

My point is that when the incomers become the majority, then the new laws will be based on non-European cultures and are going to hurt - and what then ?

What if State law now allows female circumcision in the park and voodoo chicken slaughter in the schoolyard ?

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[JohnR! 5,495]

My point is that when the incomers become the majority, then the new laws will be based on non-European cultures and are going to hurt - and what then ?

You forget that all laws must fit within the framework of the Constitution.

Fukcin Hawaii, let's hear from a real amurkin state!!!

ROLFMAO!!!

Actually, in matters of Constitutional law, I always wait for someone to ask me that question... It never fails... EVER!

[Danno 1,228]

It works while everyone except the slaves are white, they are of European descent and have a vaguely European culture

However, when the incomers start cutting chickens throats in the street to perform voodoo then we pass a town/state/fed law to stop them

The US is the most un-free and law-ridden industrialized nation with laws against everything except watching Oprah and goatee beards.

Every foreign visitor notices that immediately when they step off the plane

Now all this is well and good while 75% of Americans are of European descent (they are)

My point is that when the incomers become the majority, then the new laws will be based on non-European cultures and are going to hurt - and what then ?

What if State law now allows female circumcision in the park and voodoo chicken slaughter in the schoolyard ?

I don't think it will be all that bad if we can keep from breaking out in civil war, it will be much like Brazil.

The real estate will still be America but a transformation will most certainly take place.

In fact if Americans were to suddenly all migrate to (name a country to the south), does anyone not believe the place would change>?

If the people of Haiti and say denmark were to trade places, leaving all the infrastructure behind, what would you image each country would look like in 25 years?

[JohnR! 5,495]

If the people of Haiti and say denmark were to trade places, leaving all the infrastructure behind, what would you image each country would look like in 25 years?

IMHO, why not look at real examples in history.

At one point, the British sent away all the undesirables, the religious persecuted, all those that did not fit their concept of mainstream culture. Eventually they created America.

At another point, the British sent away to the farthest possible place in its empire, a boatload of criminals. Eventually they created Australia.

[Captain Oates 911]

You forget that all laws must fit within the framework of the Constitution.

It's the things there are no laws against that will hurt

In Yorkshire, the incomers thought it was OK to hack a live sheep's head off in the back yard

There is a law against that at the moment

When the incomers are the majority, that law will be repealed along with the age of consent (currently 16)

The Constitution can only protect us against new laws - not the absence of laws

Multiculturalism is ok as long as it only involves listening to unceasing Mexican music from 10pm to 6am, but when imported foreign laws start to take

effect, it will be different story

[JohnR! 5,495]

It's the things there are no laws against that will hurt

In Yorkshire, the incomers thought it was OK to hack a live sheep's head off in the back yard

There is a law against that at the moment

When the incomers are the majority, that law will be repealed along with the age of consent (currently 16)

The Constitution can only protect us against new laws - not the absence of laws

Multiculturalism is ok as long as it only involves listening to unceasing Mexican music from 10pm to 6am, but when imported foreign laws start to take

effect, it will be different story

I presume you are speaking of Yorkshire, Virginia.

The most likely reason for there not being a law against slaughtering livestock in one's backyard is because at some point everyone did it. In fact, to this very day many generations-old Americans slaughter their chickens in their backyards. Thousand others have hunting permits where they slaughter animals larger than sheep all over the place.

It would be interesting to learn the motives given for this law and yet, this particular law will have to comply with Virginia and US laws.

It multiculturalism were not OK neither one of us would be here today on the account of the imported laws you mentioned earlier, in your statement to the effect that many US laws stem from notions set forth in the charter represented by the Magna Carta. Remember that the US only exists because of a fundamental divergence from Great Britain. In essence we are the very product of imported laws!

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[Captain Oates 911]

I presume you are speaking of Yorkshire, Virginia.

The most likely reason for there not being a law against slaughtering livestock in one's backyard is because at some point everyone did it. In fact, to this very day many generations-old Americans slaughter their chickens in their backyards. Thousand others have hunting permits where they slaughter animals larger than sheep all over the place.

It would be interesting to learn the motives given for this law and yet, this particular law will have to comply with Virginia and US laws.

It multiculturalism were not OK neither one of us would be here today on the account of the imported laws you mentioned earlier, in your statement to the effect that many US laws stem from notions set forth in the charter represented by the Magna Carta. Remember that the US only exists because of a fundamental divergence from Great Britain. In essence we are the very product of imported laws!

Magna Carta was only for the bosses - have a gander at the English Bill of Rights 1689 - you will think you are reading the US Constitution.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and only the Englishness of the USA makes it home for me. After all, I was born with the same nationality as George Washington (British) and his family and family name were from 60 miles north of my house in Yorkshire. (THE Yorkshire)

My point is that multiculturalism between the German majority in Wisconsin and the French founders of Wisconsin and the English settlers, was only possible because European cultures are quite close and the shared base religion is the same.

When the cultural differences are massive, it won't go so smoothly

Suppose your State was majority Jamaican and cannabis was now legal and 20 of them smoked it in the back yard and it was blowing into your garden and all over your kids

Suppose that a 12 year old girl was being circumcised by the other neighbors in their yard (with her consent)

It's at times like that, that multiculturalism is really tested

The USA had only gotten away with it because the 3rd nation Americans have been the majority (2nd nation was the English for 200 years) and have written the laws to suit their culture

When those laws are repealed, it will be a whole new world

[JohnR! 5,495]

My point is that multiculturalism between the German majority in Wisconsin and the French founders of Wisconsin and the English settlers, was only possible because European cultures are quite close and the shared base religion is the same.

When the cultural differences are massive, it won't go so smoothly

Suppose your State was majority Jamaican and cannabis was now legal and 20 of them smoked it in the back yard and it was blowing into your garden and all over your kids

Suppose that a 12 year old girl was being circumcised by the other neighbors in their yard (with her consent)

It's at times like that, that multiculturalism is really tested

The USA had only gotten away with it because the 3rd nation Americans have been the majority (2nd nation was the English for 200 years) and have written the laws to suit their culture

When those laws are repealed, it will be a whole new world

Alas, the three countries you mentioned could not be more different. Except for English which can be considered a subset of German and other languages, German and French are languages with different roots. Culturally the countries are different and when it comes to religion, remember that Martin Luther reformed the Catholic religion to which the French clung so dearly. So much so it cost Marie de Guise her right to the British throne, given to the Elizabeth, despite her pedigree being less than ordinary.

Funny you should insist on mutilation and cannabis. Female circumcision is practiced in some countries in Africa, from which many have emigrated to the US, where it is considered illegal. Same goes for Jamaican nationals. Many of them live here incidentally.

The US has not gotten away with anything so much as we found a way to put it all together and make it stick. That we have a country based on laws and a Constitution ain't bad either.

Multiculturalism has been tested in this country on a daily basis for a few days shy of 236 year...

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[Danno 1,228]

Multiculturalism has been tested in this country on a daily basis for a few days shy of 236 year...

Actually, you are almost 200 years off in your time line.

1965 was the beginning of the Multicultural test. Before that we were very selective who and from where came in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1965

[Captain Oates 911]

Alas, the three countries you mentioned could not be more different. Except for English which can be considered a subset of German and other languages, German and French are languages with different roots. Culturally the countries are different and when it comes to religion, remember that Martin Luther reformed the Catholic religion to which the French clung so dearly. So much so it cost Marie de Guise her right to the British throne, given to the Elizabeth, despite her pedigree being less than ordinary.

Funny you should insist on mutilation and cannabis. Female circumcision is practiced in some countries in Africa, from which many have emigrated to the US, where it is considered illegal. Same goes for Jamaican nationals. Many of them live here incidentally.

The US has not gotten away with anything so much as we found a way to put it all together and make it stick. That we have a country based on laws and a Constitution ain't bad either.

Multiculturalism has been tested in this country on a daily basis for a few days shy of 236 year...

That is still missing my point.

French/German/English are generally white, ethnically European and christian. Their cultures have marched in step so that witch burning was seen as a good idea in Germany/France/England at the same time. I have worked in the UK and Germany and France and the US and they are totally the same when compared to say the Japanese culture. France is 21 miles from England and France and Germany are joined.

The Constitution only says what laws cannot be made and not what laws need to be made

Since 1787 it has, at various times, UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, been possible to own black people and to ban inter racial marriages and to disbar atheists from public office or giving evidence in court -- so what price the revered constitution now ?

Multiculturalism has worked for 236 years ? ask someone black about that statement. People used to appear on TITLE DEEDS and BILLS OF SALE in this country and under the CONSTITUTION. Have you forgotten so quickly ?

The fact is that all the changes have been made by the majority will and sometimes armed force in the case of the Civil Rights Act

When the majority changes, what is possible under the Constitution changes either because of amendments or Court decisions

If, in 2100, practices arise which are repugnant to the population of 2012, it will not be possible to ban them even if the new law is Constitutional - because the culture of 2012 will then be in the minority.

That ignores the right of a large majority to change the constitution itself. Nothing stands still, let alone the Constitution

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[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Alas, the three countries you mentioned could not be more different. Except for English which can be considered a subset of German and other languages, German and French are languages with different roots. Culturally the countries are different and when it comes to religion, remember that Martin Luther reformed the Catholic religion to which the French clung so dearly. So much so it cost Marie de Guise her right to the British throne, given to the Elizabeth, despite her pedigree being less than ordinary.

Funny you should insist on mutilation and cannabis. Female circumcision is practiced in some countries in Africa, from which many have emigrated to the US, where it is considered illegal. Same goes for Jamaican nationals. Many of them live here incidentally.

The US has not gotten away with anything so much as we found a way to put it all together and make it stick. That we have a country based on laws and a Constitution ain't bad either.

Multiculturalism has been tested in this country on a daily basis for a few days shy of 236 year...

Germans and French both have roots with Germanic tribes.

As far as Northern Europeans having similar cultures...yes they do and it's a fact. My family got off the boat in the US from Holland in 1644 in what was then known as New Amsterdam aka New York. When the Dutch lost the war to the English and the English took over in New York there wasn't that much of an integration problem seeing how both cultures were very similar. Now if you want to look at Southern Europe then your talking apples and oranges, but not with Northern Europeans.

English, French, Dutch, Danes, Scots, Germans, Norwegians, Swedes, etc.. all have similarities and bonds that tie together in one way or another.

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English, French, Dutch, Danes, Scots, Germans, Norwegians, Swedes, etc.. all have similarities and bonds that tie together in one way or another.

Like what?