Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee fired in wake of Trayvon Martin case.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I never claimed that the word Hispanic referred to a race, it is a word used to describe a very large group of people, including those of Portuguese decent. I used the word correctly.

I said that by all accounts Zimmerman appears more Hispanic than he does white

People who identify their origin as Hispanic or Latino may be of any race

My link

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Since Hispanic is not a race nor does it denote physical attributes, I was pointing out the common mistake, that many make by the way, when stating that Zimmerman appears more Hispanic than he does white.

[rocks 494]

You just demonstrated your level oh comprehension

Comprehension of what?

So far I have seen you make a lot of unreasonable comments.

Forget about crime on black on black, I gave you an recent example from Arizona where shooter was black guy, he was not even arrested so why zimmerman?

Arizona police chief was not fired.

I just don't understand your logic why this case is so much different and why ppl involved in this case should be punished but other are allowed to go free?

So now you are saying murder is murder in one state and not a murder in other state?

Look up the case Daniel Adkins.

So a black guy shooting is not a crime but a non-black guy shooting a black guy is a crime..... I don't have any words for you.

I fail to see why you made this about race. Why should we "Forget about crime on black on black"? How is that any different than any other crime? Clearly you did not read my link, my link had nothing to do with "crime on black on black". It took 6 years for the police involved to be convicted. 6 years. Your case is a few months old.

One of the people murdered in the Danziger Bridge shooting was a mentally disabled man. He was unarmed. After the police opened fire on a group of unarmed people, he fled. The police chased them and he was killed by being shot in the back by a police officer in an unmarked vehicle. This was less than a week after Hurricane Katrina when things were very unstable in this already very dangerous city. I'm sure you didn't hear about this case because it did not get the spotlight in the national news. It was a huge story here. The police here are so corrupt that the FBI had to be involved. Link to the FBI article on this case.

Your case has a mentally disabled man getting into an argument with a man in a vehicle, which resulted in him getting shot. This is obviously tragic, no one in their right mind would approve of such actions. I never said that anyone should go free, please show me where I said that? Maybe there is a language barrier that is leading you to misunderstand what I have said. What I said was they bare no relevance on each other. The similarity is they are murders where the aggressor has cited the stand your ground law. The similarity ends there. The laws are different in Arizona and Florida.

A mentally disabled man getting into an altercation with someone, which resulted in him being murdered, is not anything like a man intentionally following a teenager with a gun. The stand your ground rule does not alter the facts surrounding the case. It is also nothing like police opening fire on a group of unarmed people in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. All the cases are tragic but their only relation to each other is murder. You really need to learn about how the law works.

[rocks 494]

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Since Hispanic is not a race nor does it denote physical attributes, I was pointing out the common mistake, that many make by the way, when stating that Zimmerman appears more Hispanic than he does white.

Racial profiling

[slim 1,525]

the police opened fire on a group of unarmed people

Proof that everyone should be armed all the time.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Proof that everyone should be armed all the time.

In a sophistic way it does prove that.

Edited June 22, 2012 by Gegel

[rocks 494]

Proof that everyone should be armed all the time.

Everyone apart from the police.

Edit: and the National Guard officers who robbed people at gun point! Let's not forget them.

Edited June 22, 2012 by rocks

[Teddy B 17,252]

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Since Hispanic is not a race nor does it denote physical attributes, I was pointing out the common mistake, that many make by the way, when stating that Zimmerman appears more Hispanic than he does white.

Is "white" a race? Is "black" a race? No, but both are forever used in describing physical attributes. It's not a misnomer or a mistake, it's a description and they most certainly do carry physical attributes. Can you tell the difference between a white person from England and a white person from Ireland just by looking at them? No, you can't. So we refer to them as simply "white". At the same time you can usually tell the difference between most Italians and most Irish people, but we still call them both white. It's a generalization that is used and accepted to describe most people in the world. Otherwise everyone would be running around saying, "it was that guy".

[Harsh_77 718]

Comprehension of what?

So far I have seen you make a lot of unreasonable comments.

I fail to see why you made this about race. Why should we "Forget about crime on black on black"? How is that any different than any other crime? Clearly you did not read my link, my link had nothing to do with "crime on black on black". It took 6 years for the police involved to be convicted. 6 years. Your case is a few months old.

One of the people murdered in the Danziger Bridge shooting was a mentally disabled man. He was unarmed. After the police opened fire on a group of unarmed people, he fled. The police chased them and he was killed by being shot in the back by a police officer in an unmarked vehicle. This was less than a week after Hurricane Katrina when things were very unstable in this already very dangerous city. I'm sure you didn't hear about this case because it did not get the spotlight in the national news. It was a huge story here. The police here are so corrupt that the FBI had to be involved. Link to the FBI article on this case.

Your case has a mentally disabled man getting into an argument with a man in a vehicle, which resulted in him getting shot. This is obviously tragic, no one in their right mind would approve of such actions. I never said that anyone should go free, please show me where I said that? Maybe there is a language barrier that is leading you to misunderstand what I have said. What I said was they bare no relevance on each other. The similarity is they are murders where the aggressor has cited the stand your ground law. The similarity ends there. The laws are different in Arizona and Florida.

A mentally disabled man getting into an altercation with someone, which resulted in him being murdered, is not anything like a man intentionally following a teenager with a gun. The stand your ground rule does not alter the facts surrounding the case. It is also nothing like police opening fire on a group of unarmed people in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. All the cases are tragic but their only relation to each other is murder. You really need to learn about how the law works.

If you don't understand the hype with the Zimmerman case and how media and some black leader were using the situation for personal use now if you you still cannot figure out who and why this case was made as a racial issue.

Why was only this case Obama had to make comments?

If you cannot figure it out and cannot put 2+2 togeather... too bad

[rocks 494]

Is "white" a race? Is "black" a race? No, but both are forever used in describing physical attributes. It's not a misnomer or a mistake, it's a description and they most certainly do carry physical attributes. Can you tell the difference between a white person from England and a white person from Ireland just by looking at them? No, you can't. So we refer to them as simply "white". At the same time you can usually tell the difference between most Italians and most Irish people, but we still call them both white. It's a generalization that is used and accepted to describe most people in the world. Otherwise everyone would be running around saying, "it was that guy".

The term "Hispanic" as an ethnonym emerged in the 20th century with the rise of migration of laborers from American Spanish-speaking countries to the United States. Today, the word "Latino" is often used as a synonym for "Hispanic". The definitions of both terms are non-race specific, and include people who consider themselves to be of distinct races (Black, White, Amerindian, Asian, and mixed groups)

[JohnR! 5,495]

Is "white" a race? Is "black" a race? No, but both are forever used in describing physical attributes. It's not a misnomer or a mistake, it's a description and they most certainly do carry physical attributes. Can you tell the difference between a white person from England and a white person from Ireland just by looking at them? No, you can't. So we refer to them as simply "white". At the same time you can usually tell the difference between most Italians and most Irish people, but we still call them both white. It's a generalization that is used and accepted to describe most people in the world. Otherwise everyone would be running around saying, "it was that guy".

Yes, white is a race as is black.

A vast majority of Northern Italians look like the German or the Swiss, and that does not make them Saxon.

Stating that someone appears Hispanic is akin to stating someone appears 'francophone' or 'philanthropist'

Maybe we should consider using people's names instead?

[rocks 494]

If you don't understand the hype with the Zimmerman case and how media and some black leader were using the situation for personal use now if you you still cannot figure out who and why this case was made as a racial issue.

Why was only this case Obama had to make comments?

If you cannot figure it out and cannot put 2+2 togeather... too bad

"Some black leader"? Obama only made comments about this? You assume this is because Obama is half black, not because the story got international news coverage? I get the impression that you have a dislike of black people.

[slim 1,525]

Everyone apart from the police.

Edit: and the National Guard officers who robbed people at gun point! Let's not forget them.

I've never understood why we accept our police being heavily armed yet we're scared of average citizens who are similarly armed. "Why do you need to carry a gun? Why would you have a rifle at home?" Craziness!

Did you notice the National Guard that was brought in to confiscate arms wasn't "local" - they were from places like California? I'm willing to bet when the time comes (again) to go after private arms, most citizen-soldiers will refuse if it's in their local area. The psychological difference between "a deployment" and "my backyard" is significant when it comes to violence.

Is "white" a race? Is "black" a race? No, but both are forever used in describing physical attributes. It's not a misnomer or a mistake, it's a description and they most certainly do carry physical attributes. Can you tell the difference between a white person from England and a white person from Ireland just by looking at them? No, you can't. So we refer to them as simply "white". At the same time you can usually tell the difference between most Italians and most Irish people, but we still call them both white. It's a generalization that is used and accepted to describe most people in the world. Otherwise everyone would be running around saying, "it was that guy".

Why is everyone making this a racial issue? This is a case of the federal government getting involved in local business. The president made a speech on it for crying out loud. How did we ever get this far from the constitution?

How can anyone, of any race, put up with this?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Yes, white is a race as is black.

You are correct in that white and black are both considered races, that was my mistake. What I was attempting to say was that you cannot always tell someone's ethnicity by the color of their skin, that is why we group people and describe them by their physical attributes. White people look similar for the most part, as edo black and Hispanic people. Yes there are exceptions to this, but unless you actually walk up to someone and ask them, you can never really know for sure. That's why when you see a person running away from a shooting, the first question a cop is going to ask is, "Was he white, black, or hispanic". They are accepted descriptions of what a person looks like.

[JohnR! 5,495]

You are correct in that white and black are both considered races, that was my mistake. What I was attempting to say was that you cannot always tell someone's ethnicity by the color of their skin, that is why we group people and describe them by their physical attributes. White people look similar for the most part, as edo black and Hispanic people. Yes there are exceptions to this, but unless you actually walk up to someone and ask them, you can never really know for sure. That's why when you see a person running away from a shooting, the first question a cop is going to ask is, "Was he white, black, or hispanic". They are accepted descriptions of what a person looks like.

We agree on this one!

[rocks 494]

Why is everyone making this a racial issue? This is a case of the federal government getting involved in local business. The president made a speech on it for crying out loud. How did we ever get this far from the constitution?

How can anyone, of any race, put up with this?

I don't know why this is a racial issue. Crime is crime, race is irrelevant.

If the FBI hadn't been involved in the Danziger Bridge shooting the police would have got away with it, as they did for many years. They tried to deal with it locally but corruption is so bad in NOPD that the FBI had to take over. The FBI said it was some of the worst corruption it had seen.