I-864 confusing

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Hi all, Im sure this has been asked a million times but I cannot find the information for the same scenario as ours.

My wife (US Citizen), and I (Irish Citizen) are applying for my visa and we are at the I-864 stage. She is living with me, in Ireland, and has been for a few years. Because we are living over here, and not the states, I believe we need a sponsor for me in order to move things along. Is this true? So her mother is becoming a sponsor and from this here is my first question:

Part 1, Is my wife:

A, the petitioner? ( I thought she had to be a sponsor, can you not be a sponsor and the petitioner?)

D, the only joint sponsor? (How can you have 1 joint sponsor, joint is more than one)

E, the first OR second joint sponsor? (Yet she's the petitioner?)

For my wifes mother, what does she put down? E, the 2nd joint sponsor? If she puts down E then my wife would have to put the same answer? Either second or first joint?

Part 3 (part 2 is simple, it's just the immigrants information).

Is she sponsoring me? If she answers 'NO', then that would mean she puts down E for part 1. Is this correct?

Part 4 Information on the Sponsor.

Is this applicable to my wife? Again this goes back to Part 1. If it is applicable then what does she put down for question 15: Country of Domicility. She lives in Ireland, as has done for 3 years. She does not own property in the states. She has records of 2 bank account balances and accounts opened in the US. She has a voters card but no records of past votes. We have requested quote from a moving company in Ireland to ship our stuff to the US. She cannot apply for a job as we need the visa to come through first, since we do not know when we're moving. Same goes for lease agreements. Her mother has offered to provide a temporary lease agreement for us as we will be staying with her when we first enter the US. I have read that the best thing to put down is United States as it shows intent to return but in order to do this you must show proof, yet how can she without living there. Catch 22.

Part 5 Sponsors Household size.

My wife and I live together in Ireland. We have no children. 2 people in our house in Ireland.

My wifes mother lives alone in the United States. 1 person in United States.

What do we put down for this please?

C, we are married, so why do we not put down 1 for this? Makes no sense.

Part 6 Sponsors Income and Employment.

So I've put down her income and employment, in Ireland.

Since we live abroad, surely our income doesn't apply. Hence needing a sponsor. However I have read that if we had assets in excess of around $55,000 (I'm not sure of the figure) I would not need a sponsor. Is this correct?

Line 24b, do we put down my income? Her income is over 125% of the poverty guideline, but why not put down mine anyway, is it not lying by not putting it down?

Line 25, 'I have filed a Federal tax return for each of the three most recent tax years. I have attached the required photocopy or transcript of my Federal tax return for only the most recent tax year.' The IRS are taking their sweet time sorting out 2011. We have nothing to show for 2011 regarding papers. We've lost the copy of the 1040 and 2555 and the IRS lost some pages of the 2555 so we had to resend a new 2555 in. They are telling us it will take 4 weeks to get it entered into the system.

My question for this line is: What can we do to show she has filed for the last year.? We have the transcripts for the other years.

Line 28, we have a good amount of money saved in Ireland. As it stands we are saving for our move and for travelling, between when the visa comes in and when we enter the states. Should we put down that money saved, and if so what happens when the money is dipped into. Do they check to see your accounts?

I am sorry for such a long post but the forms are bloody retarded and so are those who wrote them. I'm more angry than anything that there isn't forms for each case type. Of which our situation is obviously quite common. We really do appreciate all your help and information.

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Hi all, Im sure this has been asked a million times but I cannot find the information for the same scenario as ours.

My wife (US Citizen), and I (Irish Citizen) are applying for my visa and we are at the I-864 stage. She is living with me, in Ireland, and has been for a few years. Because we are living over here, and not the states, I believe we need a sponsor for me in order to move things along. Is this true? So her mother is becoming a sponsor and from this here is my first question:

Part 1, Is my wife:

A, the petitioner? ( I thought she had to be a sponsor, can you not be a sponsor and the petitioner?)

D, the only joint sponsor? (How can you have 1 joint sponsor, joint is more than one)

E, the first OR second joint sponsor? (Yet she's the petitioner?)

For my wifes mother, what does she put down? E, the 2nd joint sponsor? If she puts down E then my wife would have to put the same answer? Either second or first joint?

Part 3 (part 2 is simple, it's just the immigrants information).

Is she sponsoring me? If she answers 'NO', then that would mean she puts down E for part 1. Is this correct?

Part 4 Information on the Sponsor.

Is this applicable to my wife? Again this goes back to Part 1. If it is applicable then what does she put down for question 15: Country of Domicility. She lives in Ireland, as has done for 3 years. She does not own property in the states. She has records of 2 bank account balances and accounts opened in the US. She has a voters card but no records of past votes. We have requested quote from a moving company in Ireland to ship our stuff to the US. She cannot apply for a job as we need the visa to come through first, since we do not know when we're moving. Same goes for lease agreements. Her mother has offered to provide a temporary lease agreement for us as we will be staying with her when we first enter the US. I have read that the best thing to put down is United States as it shows intent to return but in order to do this you must show proof, yet how can she without living there. Catch 22.

Part 5 Sponsors Household size.

My wife and I live together in Ireland. We have no children. 2 people in our house in Ireland.

My wifes mother lives alone in the United States. 1 person in United States.

What do we put down for this please?

C, we are married, so why do we not put down 1 for this? Makes no sense.

Part 6 Sponsors Income and Employment.

So I've put down her income and employment, in Ireland.

Since we live abroad, surely our income doesn't apply. Hence needing a sponsor. However I have read that if we had assets in excess of around $55,000 (I'm not sure of the figure) I would not need a sponsor. Is this correct?

Line 24b, do we put down my income? Her income is over 125% of the poverty guideline, but why not put down mine anyway, is it not lying by not putting it down?

Line 25, 'I have filed a Federal tax return for each of the three most recent tax years. I have attached the required photocopy or transcript of my Federal tax return for only the most recent tax year.' The IRS are taking their sweet time sorting out 2011. We have nothing to show for 2011 regarding papers. We've lost the copy of the 1040 and 2555 and the IRS lost some pages of the 2555 so we had to resend a new 2555 in. They are telling us it will take 4 weeks to get it entered into the system.

My question for this line is: What can we do to show she has filed for the last year.? We have the transcripts for the other years.

Line 28, we have a good amount of money saved in Ireland. As it stands we are saving for our move and for travelling, between when the visa comes in and when we enter the states. Should we put down that money saved, and if so what happens when the money is dipped into. Do they check to see your accounts?

I am sorry for such a long post but the forms are bloody retarded and so are those who wrote them. I'm more angry than anything that there isn't forms for each case type. Of which our situation is obviously quite common. We really do appreciate all your help and information.

Your wife is the petitioner, with respect to her I-864. Her mother is the only joint sponsor.

Your wife is the primary sponsor whether qualified or not.

Your wife is the sponsor on her affidavit. Your mother in-law is the sponsor on her own affidavit.

Your "liquid assets" (see form I-864 instructions) can be used to offset income shortages. If it's just the two of you, yes the number is about $55,000 or 3x the income requirement but again, pay attention to the definition of LIQUID in the instructions.

It doesn't really matter whether you put down your income. Foreign income that will not continue once you're in the USA will not qualify anybody for anything in this context.

If you don't have a copy of her 2011 tax return, you'll need to wait for a transcript or copy to be available from the IRS. Losing something doesn't excuse the need to provide it.

Document assets with current bank statements, etc. Unless the liquid assets are significant enough to do away with the need for a joint sponsor, they don't really matter.

This form is somewhat less "retarded" when you first study and follow the form's instructions. They used to be the first several pages of the PDF but now you must download them separately.