TEXAS DAD BEATS HIS DAUGHTER’S MOLESTER TO DEATH

[Leatherneck 693]

Just in case anyone is interested on an update:

http://www.ctv.ca/CT...ttacker-120613/

http://www.christian...to-death-76561/

Some excerpts:

Facts given by the police on the case...

On the daughter...

On the father...

On the law...

He will be tried by a jury of his peers. This truly sheds better light on the circumstances.

This is news to you? For those following the story outside of the OP, there's nothing new. He won't necessarily be tired, the case will be taken to a grand jury, first.

Edited June 15, 2012 by Leatherneck

[lierre 224]

You don't get how one normally parents and how a parent reacts in any given situation at any given time to protect a child are two very different things? Really, you can't see the difference?

Does parenting stop when the situation is beyond what's normal? Really, you think it stops?

This is news to you? For those following the story outside of the OP, there's nothing new.

Look who's being such a hater on me now.

[james&olya 1,121]

You are probably right that I wouldn't be able to contain my emotions very well, but again, I think some of you imagine a perpetrator far different from who it usually is. I asked earlier if it was hypothetically your spouse, would you then feel justified in killing your spouse? How about if it was your older child? A nephew? Grandfather? Uncle? You can bet that I would be overcome with emotions, but how I'd handle those emotions is what I'm talking about. There are a lot of emotionally gripping situations that one can face in their lifetime - and if you start to justify going ape sh!t in a fit of rage and physically hurting another human being then you are going down a slippery slope.

When my wife (gf at the time) shared with me that she had been sexually abused as a child by her stepfather, I wanted to kill him. I was only 18 and up until that point, I had never known anyone who had been abused that way. The man was still living then and still with my wife's mother. My wife then tells me of at least one incident where both the mother and stepfather come home after drinking at the bars one night, he wakes my wife up and drags her out of bed into the hallway to abuse her. The drunk mother catches the two in the hallway and yells at her young daughter, as if it were somehow her fault! The other siblings knew of the abuse - some of them were also abused, but my wife had it the worst. But it was complicated once the children were all adults with families of their own, because the family would have get togethers like during Christmas and I was there when the stepfather be there too. Believe me, I wish I could have given him a piece of my mind, slapped him around a bit, but like my brother-in-law said at the time, it wouldn't affect the stepfather at all. He was a sick ####### and now an old, sick #######.

I went through counseling with my wife over the years we were married and even called the local police dept. in the town where the family was living when the abuse occurred, hoping that justice might finally be served. But, the family thought it was pointless and ultimately only going to emotionally hurt my wife even more. Well, the sick old ####### finally died. The mother is still alive, and she has her own crazy. This kind of sh!t permeates in a lot of families. I'm not saying you do nothing, but just pointing out how complicated and sh!tty it is. Without knowing much about the OP, I wouldn't be surprised if the father knew the perpetrator well and probably close friend of the family or relative. Although that doesn't change how horrible the abuse is, it will make you stop and think about this idea that you would just kill that person in a fit of rage.

I had an almost identical thing with my ex. Only she never directly told me. The traumas were long lived and contributed to alcohol abuse on her part trying to hide from the demons. It ultimately led to the breakdown of our marriage.

You are right, that kind of situation is deeply complicated. He never had to directly answer for his actions though he did face his alcoholism head on and has been sober now for over 30 years. There were times I wanted to harm him. But there was never any danger I would actually do that. There was no 'heat of the moment' kind of thing going on. It is so TOTALLY a different situation when it is your 4 y/o daughter and you respond to her screams and find a naked man assaulting her. That is one of the only scenarios I can picture where I think I might actually kill someone like this father did.

As to those who keep going on about this article being poorly written, the point of all the responses is only to the possibly hypothetical situation as told in the story. Unless you have some special insight or information about the actual case that was the basis for this story you should get off your high horse. Everybody realizes that this is just a story of a possible actual situation. This is not an actual trial or grand jury hearing. We all have a right to weigh in with our responses based on the presumptions as stated by the OP.

[Leatherneck 693]

Does parenting stop when the situation is beyond what's normal? Really, you think it stops?

I trust you're smarter than your pretense here. You know very well there is a major difference in what a parent is willing to do to save or protect a child from imminent danger and how that same person parents at any other time.

Look who's being such a hater on me now.

Are you that sensitive? I stated a fact, what you posted as an update, I was aware of yesterday. Stating a fact is not hating on you.

[james&olya 1,121]

I never said a positive medical report was needed to determine the presence of abuse.

You quoted what I said and deleted the rest. Way to go in trying to be objective!

What appalls me is the lack of facts in the news article. It was poorly written. There was report of the child being brought to the hospital, but the result of the report was not mentioned. It is irresponsible journalism. But most people on here don't seem to think that's relevant.

Medical reports are confidential in the USA!

[james&olya 1,121]

Just in case anyone is interested on an update:

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120613/texas-father-may-be-justified-in-killing-daughters-alleged-attacker-120613/

http://www.christianpost.com/news/texas-father-justified-in-beating-alleged-child-molester-to-death-76561/

Some excerpts:

Facts given by the police on the case...

On the daughter...

On the father...

On the law...

He will be tried by a jury of his peers. This truly sheds better light on the circumstances.

Your reading comprehension is poor! How will he be tried by a 'jury of his peers' when the sheriff indicated he was not likely to even be charged?

[Karee 4,191]

Your reading comprehension is poor! How will he be tried by a 'jury of his peers' when the sheriff indicated he was not likely to even be charged?

Exactly. And he wont be charged.

[lierre 224]

As to those who keep going on about this article being poorly written, the point of all the responses is only to the possibly hypothetical situation as told in the story. Unless you have some special insight or information about the actual case that was the basis for this story you should get off your high horse. Everybody realizes that this is just a story of a possible actual situation. This is not an actual trial or grand jury hearing. We all have a right to weigh in with our responses based on the presumptions as stated by the OP.

Leatherneck, this is why this thread needed the links.

The fact that you know... good for you! But, others don't. And that includes me.

I trust you're smarter than your pretense here. You know very well there is a major difference in what a parent is willing to do to save or protect a child from imminent danger and how that same person parents at any other time.

Why are you so intent on removing the term parenting from the parent's capacity & choices when dealing with the needs of his child? At the pre-school/school age, children warrant role models to know the difference between right and wrong.

Again, parenting does not stop when it's outside the normal confines of a typical home.

Your reading comprehension is poor! How will he be tried by a 'jury of his peers' when the sheriff indicated he was not likely to even be charged?

Aw geez. My bad.

Edited June 15, 2012 by ivyanddan

[B_J 2,752]

You are probably right that I wouldn't be able to contain my emotions very well, but again, I think some of you imagine a perpetrator far different from who it usually is. I asked earlier if it was hypothetically your spouse, would you then feel justified in killing your spouse? How about if it was your older child? A nephew? Grandfather? Uncle? You can bet that I would be overcome with emotions, but how I'd handle those emotions is what I'm talking about. There are a lot of emotionally gripping situations that one can face in their lifetime - and if you start to justify going ape sh!t in a fit of rage and physically hurting another human being then you are going down a slippery slope.

My whole point is that I'm not going to say anything negative about the father since I feel (and hope even) that I'd react the same if I were in his situation. I really don't think it's fair for anybody to question his judgement/morals because of how he reacted in this situation.

Your hypothetical scenario caused me to do some thinking. I mentioned that I thought you would react the same whether it was your child or any other child involved. I said that because I don't think you would hesitate to act just because the child wasn't related to you. But it is odd how the situation changes if the perp. is a relative. The only thing I am really positive of is that the correct action is to do something/anything to stop the molestation. The interesting thing is that I would think that a relative, if caught in that situation, would most likely instantly stop what they were doing and beg for forgiveness, most likely just in the hope that they won't be turned in to the police.

Which brings up the next question. In your scenario, even if you don't jump in and attack your wife, older child, etc. Would you be able to turn them in to the police?

[james&olya 1,121]

My whole point is that I'm not going to say anything negative about the father since I feel (and hope even) that I'd react the same if I were in his situation. I really don't think it's fair for anybody to question his judgement/morals because of how he reacted in this situation.

Your hypothetical scenario caused me to do some thinking. I mentioned that I thought you would react the same whether it was your child or any other child involved. I said that because I don't think you would hesitate to act just because the child wasn't related to you. But it is odd how the situation changes if the perp. is a relative. The only thing I am really positive of is that the correct action is to do something/anything to stop the molestation. The interesting thing is that I would think that a relative, if caught in that situation, would most likely instantly stop what they were doing and beg for forgiveness, most likely just in the hope that they won't be turned in to the police.

Which brings up the next question. In your scenario, even if you don't jump in and attack your wife, older child, etc. Would you be able to turn them in to the police?

Without hesitation!

[Leatherneck 693]

Leatherneck, this is why this thread needed the links.

The fact that you know... good for you! But, others don't. And that includes me.

Google is your friend, so is internet radio, you can tune in and find a local source for better details. Try it -- you might be better informed!

Why are you so intent on removing the term parenting from the parent's capacity & choices when dealing with the needs of his child? At the pre-school/school age, children warrant role models to know the difference between right and wrong.

Again, parenting does not stop when it's outside the normal confines of a typical home.

The man was protecting his child from imminent danger -- he was doing less parenting and being more of a protector of his child at that moment. The father dealt with the needs of his child, at that very moment, she needed protection and that's what she got. Why are you so intent on being illogical about when to parent and when to protect, considering the seriousness of the circumstances?

Aw geez. My bad.

[Leatherneck 693]

While eating lunch at McDonald's, attending a family function or having family night at home -- it's your duty to parent.

When you discover a half naked adult man on top of your child having his way with her -- it's your duty to protect that child, at all cost, even with your life.

You can keep pretending you don't understand when to parent and when to protect, I doubt many rational folks will buy it.

[lierre 224]

Google is your friend, so is internet radio, you can tune in and find a local source for better details. Try it -- you might be better informed!

D'awwww Google... Newsflash: that's exactly what I did!

Ummm... why so hung up on the post with the links, dude?

The man was protecting his child from imminent danger -- he was doing less parenting and being more of a protector of his child at that moment. The father dealt with the needs of his child, at that very moment, she needed protection and that's what she got. Why are you so intent on being illogical about when to parent and when to protect, considering the seriousness of the circumstances?

...

You can keep pretending you don't understand when to parent and when to protect, I doubt many rational folks will buy it.

I completely understand the way your logic is working. That is why I said what I said.

I have tried my best to explain my thoughts on this. Stop getting wrinkles over it, okay?

And oh oh... just an FYI, bringing my future children into the discussion again does not even add depth to your argument, it actually lessens it.

Edited June 15, 2012 by ivyanddan

[ready4ONE 5,400]

While eating lunch at McDonald's, attending a family function or having family night at home -- it's your duty to parent.

When you discover a half naked adult man on top of your child having his way with her -- it's your duty to protect that child, at all cost, even with your life.

You can keep pretending you don't understand when to parent and when to protect, I doubt many rational folks will buy it.

Finding a half naked man on top of your child might be a reason to attack, and even perhaps attack with such fury that you kill, is to an extent understandable and forgivable.

Dreaming up scenarios in which you can justifiably kill isn't. You need a healthier hobby.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Finding a half naked man on top of your child might be a reason to attack, and even perhaps attack with such fury that you kill, is to an extent understandable and forgivable.

Dreaming up scenarios in which you can justifiably kill isn't. You need a healthier hobby.

Spot on.