TEXAS DAD BEATS HIS DAUGHTER’S MOLESTER TO DEATH

[lierre 224]

But if we're going to talk hypothetical:

What if you caught your spouse abusing your child - would you feel justified in killing your spouse with your bare hands?

There are endless scenarios that for sure, would be gripping emotionally, but wisdom says we should try and maintain our composure because when we just act on our emotions, we can quickly turn into a homicidal maniacs.

The tables get turned when the story hits even closer to home, even inside the home.

I doubt anyone will say "I will kill him in a heartbeat" as a response.

Look, don't wait for answer. I've been reading the response given for some "individuals" here and I came to the conclusion that they only care for the humans rights of this ####### pedophile instead the rights of this poor little girl.. So that speaks volumes about them. What would they do? according to their reply, just maybe nothing but take a seat and keep watching the perverts acts . Humans rights for scum bags that rape, sodomized children? Nothing, nada. zero! You got be kidding me. I would like their children, grand children could read their responses. Shame on them!

I have never read such grim remarks on here.

Of course, the little girl needs protection... now, more than ever. But I seriously would re-consider having the father of that little girl be her primary guardian. Going berserk enough to be a killer.

Rape, sodomy and all other forms of non-physical abuse are grave offenses. But, when did abuse become much, much worse than "overkilling"/self-defense gone way wrong?

Some people on here (and yep, even that town in Texas) even wants to call him a hero? A vigilante killer gone berserk is a hero? Granted he might have killed the offender by accident... but that is by no means a reason for him to be lauded and put on a pedestal.

I don't think it was premeditated either and he probably did not intend to kill the guy, but nevertheless, letting ones emotions go never leads to a good outcome.

No, the boyfriend, now ex of course, wasnt charged. The police said that if they charged him, that he would in turn have the right to charge her. The only ones charged were my friends husband and her brother. They got off easy if you ask me, only because of the size difference with these two grown men vs. the boyfriend. Even though I dont agree at all with what the boyfriend did ... I only shared to get the point across that vigilantie justice is not OK.

Thanks for sharing.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Do you think the father should be prosecuted?

I'd have to hear the evidence, but I certainly would hate to see the guy spend any time in jail if he did not intend the kill the guy. Perhaps probation and some anger management classes.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I don't know if there is more info than the thin soup of the OP article to decide if I think prosecuting the father is warranted or not. Very little information to go on.

How anyone jumped to the conclusion killing was justifiable on said poorly written article, much less bend over backwards to make the story somehow a defense for Zimmerman is absurd, but certainly helps show the John Wayne wanna-be's stripes.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Look, don't wait for answer. I've been reading the response given for some "individuals" here and I came to the conclusion that they only care for the humans rights of this ####### pedophile instead the rights of this poor little girl.. So that speaks volumes about them. What would they do? according to their reply, just maybe nothing but take a seat and keep watching the perverts acts . Humans rights for scum bags that rape, sodomized children? Nothing, nada. zero! You got be kidding me. I would like their children, grand children could read their responses. Shame on them!

You need step off that pedestal for a moment with your moral platitudes. You have no idea what anyone here thinks or feels beyond what we post here. I've been in relationships with at least three different women who carried with them the emotional scars of sexual abuse. One of them I was married to for 15 years and to which I feel ultimately led to the failure of that marriage.

You might think it is so easy to imagine justifying homicide in situations where sexual abuse to a minor happens, until you realize either from knowing someone who was a victim or by reading about who the perpetrators are. Most often than not, it is someone the victims knows and possibly related to - an uncle, grandpa, brother or cousin. And the perpetrator is often someone that is well liked and trusted among the family.

Yeah, it's easy to get wrapped up in our emotional state and then act upon those emotions, but for most of us adults who've made it through life so far, have learned that you don't get very far by being the equivalent of the Incredible Hulk emotionally. Does that mean you can't feel the anger? If you ask Bruce Banner, he'd tell you he always feels the anger, but it's about controlling it. Does that mean we don't ever snap or lose our temper? Of course not, but hopefully, you'll acknowledge that unleashing your anger in fits of rage hardly ever leads to any positive outcome. So be careful about trying pigeon-hole other people as to how they might actually feel about such terrible thing. Some of us just happen to have a better handle on our emotions.

[B_J 2,752]

In all seriousness, I honestly don't know. However, in whatever crisis I might face throughout my life, I sincerely pray to God that I do the right thing and maintain my composure, keeping my head on straight. People who freak out in a crisis tend to rule by emotion and those kinds of personalities end up getting themselves and others hurt.

But if we're going to talk hypothetical:

What if you caught your spouse abusing your child - would you feel justified in killing your spouse with your bare hands?

There are endless scenarios that for sure, would be gripping emotionally, but wisdom says we should try and maintain our composure because when we just act on our emotions, we can quickly turn into a homicidal maniacs.

In my opinion, from what I know of you, if you walked in on any child being molested you would go off on that guy. I don't believe you would calmly consider the situation and try to discern the best actions to take. I think you would see what was being done to a child and you would, at that moment, do everything you could to make it stop. You wouldn't go back and phone the police, you wouldn't call others for help, you wouldn't look around for a weapon. You would see what was being done to a child and you would make it stop.

If the molester ended up dying, you would probably feel massive guilt about the fact that you had killed a man. You'd probably need therapy later. There's no reason to believe this man won't need therapy also. But you would need much more therapy if you did nothing. In the end, you would know that you had saved that child; just as this man saved his daughter.

He did the right thing and I would like to believe that most people in his situation would do the same. I would question the morality of anybody who would do less than this man did.

[lierre 224]

I don't know if there is more info than the thin soup of the OP article to decide if I think prosecuting the father is warranted or not. Very little information to go on.

How anyone jumped to the conclusion killing was justifiable on said poorly written article, much less bend over backwards to make the story somehow a defense for Zimmerman is absurd, but certainly helps show the John Wayne wanna-be's stripes.

:thumbs:

[B_J 2,752]

Of course, the little girl needs protection... now, more than ever. But I seriously would re-consider having the father of that little girl be her primary guardian. Going berserk enough to be a killer.

How in the world can you say the girl needs protection now more than ever? The time in her life when she needed protection the most was when she was being molested and, luckily, her father was there to protect her. And to question whether he should still be her primary guardian is unfathomable. What would you have done if you were in his position?

"Excuse me, sir, I see what you are doing with my daughter. I would like for you to stop. I considered intervening and forcing you to stop; but I realized that my daughter might be troubled by the violence, so you may continue with your activities. I want you to know that I have called the police and they will be here in about 20 minutes. Of course, you'll be finished with my daughter by then, but the police will gather evidence and pursue you at that time. And one other thing... daughter, I love you, hang in there sweetie. This will be over soon."

I think the father made the right choice and he has proven that he should be her guardian. What would you have done???

[Karee 4,191]

How in the world can you say the girl needs protection now more than ever? The time in her life when she needed protection the most was when she was being molested and, luckily, her father was there to protect her. And to question whether he should still be her primary guardian is unfathomable. What would you have done if you were in his position?

"Excuse me, sir, I see what you are doing with my daughter. I would like for you to stop. I considered intervening and forcing you to stop; but I realized that my daughter might be troubled by the violence, so you may continue with your activities. I want you to know that I have called the police and they will be here in about 20 minutes. Of course, you'll be finished with my daughter by then, but the police will gather evidence and pursue you at that time. And one other thing... daughter, I love you, hang in there sweetie. This will be over soon."

I think the father made the right choice and he has proven that he should be her guardian. What would you have done???

[ready4ONE 5,400]

There are many ways to intervene, to stop the molester immediately, short of killing. There isn't even enough information in the OP to know what the father was trying to stop.

[B_J 2,752]

There are many ways to intervene, to stop the molester immediately, short of killing. There isn't even enough information in the OP to know what the father was trying to stop.

True, but....

According to the OP, there were screams and the man saw his daughter being sexually assaulted. While we may not know what exactly the father was trying to stop, there is also no reason to assume he's a vigilante killer who should no longer be the girl's guardian.

[Captain Oates 911]

I see parallels between this and politics.

It depends on one's basic philosophy regarding human nature

If one gives in to instinct and immediate urges and does not try to elevate the human above the OTHER animals, then one's politics will be right wing

It's ironic that accepting one's nature as 'animal' is usually adopted by right wing religious people who then insist there is no connection between humans and animals and they were created separately

We do not condemn a tigress who lashes out unthinkingly to protect it's young. We see that as justified and normal.

The argument hinges on whether we are better or worse than the tigress when we do the same thing

I believe that I am just another animal - but I have the capacity to use logic and self control in order to behave in a less raw manner if I so chose.

Right wingers do not chose that route and that is why right wing politics surrenders to the baseness of humans and is a creed of no hope, no optimism, and no desire to elevate humankind; rather a philosophy of acceptance of where we are now, and therefore it's a savage fight for whatever carcasses we can consume before we die and all opponents should be killed or smashed to a pulp.. No such thing as society.

Having said all that, I do believe this man is not guilty in law and the law is correct and should not be changed because we all have the capacity to act like the most savage animals in the heat of the moment.

My point is that some people LIKE that as a way to be, and I don't, and I think we should strive to be as civilized as we can , even though we often fail. Right wingers say "kill em all - let god sort em out"

I am probably the only person on this thread who has actually faced the situation where my 5 year old daughter was abused, albeit in a less serious way, by a male stranger, and I am glad I called the Police and social services, especially in the circumstances where the abuser had "learning disabilities" rather than being a dangerous predator. It was somewhat different in that I learned of the incident the next day, but I like to think that I can assess situations fast and weigh up courses of action before I act.

Other animals can't

[lierre 224]

How in the world can you say the girl needs protection now more than ever? The time in her life when she needed protection the most was when she was being molested and, luckily, her father was there to protect her. And to question whether he should still be her primary guardian is unfathomable. What would you have done if you were in his position?

"Excuse me, sir, I see what you are doing with my daughter. I would like for you to stop. I considered intervening and forcing you to stop; but I realized that my daughter might be troubled by the violence, so you may continue with your activities. I want you to know that I have called the police and they will be here in about 20 minutes. Of course, you'll be finished with my daughter by then, but the police will gather evidence and pursue you at that time. And one other thing... daughter, I love you, hang in there sweetie. This will be over soon."

I think the father made the right choice and he has proven that he should be her guardian. What would you have done???

To be thinking that the effects of abuse stop when the abuse stops is truly naive.

Ask the abused and you might be able to understand why.

Also, that monologue is indubitably stupid... to say the least. People who choose not to kill does not make them a moron and a socially inept individual.

What would I have done? Incapacitate the individual enough for him not to do anything harmful to my child. And make sure that he will be penalized for what he did.

According to the OP, there were screams and the man saw his daughter being sexually assaulted. While we may not know what exactly the father was trying to stop, there is also no reason to assume he's a vigilante killer who should no longer be the girl's guardian.

You said it so yourself... we do not know what happened in there. Thanks to the crappy way the article was written.

English isn't even my primary language and I know I could have written a much better, unbiased piece.

Edited June 14, 2012 by ivyanddan

[MyLittlePony 340]

Good for the dad the state can save on one prison cell mate to support.

[B_J 2,752]

What would I have done? Incapacitate the individual enough for him not to do anything harmful to my child. And make sure that he will be penalized for what he did.

How would you have incapicatated the individual? What would you have done differently than the father? It seems that, because we don't know all the facts, you assume the worst of the father. You call him a vigilante killer who should no longer be the guardian of his own daughter. All because you assume the worst of him without knowing the whole story. With all due respect, I think your assumptions about the father are as stupid as my previous monologue, which was intended to be so.

[JohnR! 5,495]

WWJHD?