renouncing U.S citizenship to become illegal ?

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

else why would ppl need to be "let go" for insufficient documentation to begin with?

Clarification-

They were not employed by the US Government but rather a food service vendor that we, a defense company, contracted our fodd services to...

Corporations should be accountable for pre screening these Vendors and be responsible for seeing that Vendors abide by copr. / federal govt. policies regarding Hiring employees

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

interesting. So education mexicans past the 7th grade level i mexico is our problem? Is that what you meant to imply in your post? as to the second point in your post... many places DO want our help.. they just dont like the terms that they agreed upon (and not necessarily speaking of Iraq here though you alluded to it)

I mentioned in my post that hitting the employers with fines is a start. and I believe it is. we cant stop them from trying to come across the border, but if they do cross... and find no work because employers know that they will be fined out of a company... they will stop coming because there is no way to make a living where there is no work.

true they have a right to secure work. in mexico [/b](or where ever the birthland is), unless LEGALLY gone thru the immigration process and applied for and been granted permission from the governing body of this country. it is not this countries obligation to provide work and home for ppl who decide to circumvent the process.

Agreed Nor is it this countries responsibility to support citizens from countriess where their own Govt. are not doing what is neccesary to take care of their own people, USA has Got to stop providing Foriegn aid to these countries, as USA is already providing that aid by supporting millions of illegals.

Those who enter the country Ill;egally should be granted NO Benefits or Rights except those rights that are granted any other Federal Criminal ..Under DUE PROCESS! It is NOT a human Rights Issue it is a criminal federal issue.

Intentions of illegal criminals are not in question, their first Act on USA soil is that of defiance by intentionally breaking laws and continously stealing, defrauding and breaking laws to benefit their personal Agenda

We all have families to support that does not justify breaking federal laws to do so.

1000+ intneding immigrants scarfice comfortable lving conditions, decent income potential & months even years seperated from their loved ones to go through the immigration process by LEGAL Means.

Those who vilate the law and intentionally avoid federal regulations, avoid paying income taxes, do not deserve leniancy, do not deserve a free path to citizenship or any path to citizenship for that matter.

If an American Citizen / legal resident is caught evading Income taxes or not filing, the IRS will come after that person and put them in prison regardless if they have a family to support or not. yet these Illegals come here work illegally fail pay income taxes, send their money Back to Mexico therefore do not contribute to the growth of the economy and can't not be tracked by the IRS, So these Illegal Federal Criminals Criple the sytem, and avoid consequnces of their illegal activity.

In No way is their illegal pressence helpin US Economy, It is Hurting the Economy, the Education of our children, the tsandard and quality of medical care.On the surface employers save minimal amount of $$ by being able to pay lower wages and avoid certain insurance costs by hiring illegals, but the Long term negative effect ends up costing Billions per year for each illegal that Steals Govt. aide, takes advantage of medical care that i sput in place for LEGAL residents, Ctitizens, causing Hospitals to have to shut down, putting more people out of care. This doesn't even take into taccount other costs such as illegal drivers and the ris ein population and drug traffciking 8-% of which come sileghal;ly through USA 's Southern Border.

How does one Quantify the costs of Drugs and their effect on the USA population. Now Drug cartels are finding More Profir by Smuggling people instead of drugs IT IS ALL CONNECTED.

Pushing middle income families to lower standards in education for their children due to ilegal immigranst requiring thschools accomodate their children with leneicnacy in testing or language help, Illegals bring the value of property down. So the long term effect is costing billions per year, the minimal amount of $$ saved by hiring them is not worth the end cost.

There is a solution, those who entered ilegally should be made to return to where they came from, then ONCE they have PAID back taxes for ALL years and Fines, and Filed tge proper paperwork then They can apply for LEGAL entry and Legal Residancy. NO benefit of ANY kind should be granted ( except Emergency medical care) to any person who enters country illegally, before applying for benefits one should establish that they have entered the country legally! /USA Children citizens Born to Illegal immigrant Parents Should NOT be allowed to petition their parents. The cost of USA having t pay for Illegal Immigrants should be passed on to the Govt.s of those countries the illegals originate. The USA should reduce the amount of Froeign Aide to those countries based on the amount they cost USA and legal residents.

if 1 illegal costs USA 1 billion / annually then that should be deducted from the trade or support, commiosn USA provides/ to countriy where that immigrant origniated from; be it SWEDEN ( as if) or Mexico .

The USA in turn should reduce trade between countries that refuse to raise the standard of living for their own people. America Should be more self sufficient even if at first it costs citizens/ residents more, the long term it will save Billions,

what about the ones who enter "legally" but stay "illegally" after their visa exprire too.. I know tons and some are my friends (not only from Thailand though..some EURO countries too) and I think the number of those people are very high - they dont have to fear being caught as much as the ones enter illegally though (from what I know) so what would you suggest about that?

Those who entered LEGALLY are on record as should be dealt with on a case by case basis, there are certain circumstances under why they may have overstayed ( medical reasons??) Also during the period of overstay did they obtain illegal employment, Their character and actions should weigh in on how they are dealt with. if it is found out that they have no valid justification why tey overstayed then they should have to pay penalties WHICH THEY ALREADY HAVE HAD TO pay $1000.00 fines for overstaying certain Visa's.

A Illegal Federal Criminal Entering Without inspection is not in any capacity the same as someone who overstayed a legal entry. Illegal Uninspected aliens intentionally set out to break laws and enter knowingly breaking federal laws. Intentional Criminal behavior.

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else why would ppl need to be "let go" for insufficient documentation to begin with?

Clarification-

They were not employed by the US Government but rather a food service vendor that we, a defense company, contracted our fodd services to...

Corporations should be accountable for pre screening these Vendors and be responsible for seeing that Vendors abide by copr. / federal govt. policies regarding Hiring employees

I love it when people state the obvious!

Should'a, could'a , bla bla bla......

You're in line at McDonalds and order up your burger and fries. Is it incumbent on you to verify that the employee that you placed your order with, or said differently contracted to do so, is a lawful resident?

How about when you take your clothes to the cleaners, ride in a taxicab?

It's absurd to place the responsibility of policing a contracted vendor on the customer. That's what government is for. If they're in possession of a valid business license then that's as far as one needs to go in terms of placing responsibility on the hiring customer.

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else why would ppl need to be "let go" for insufficient documentation to begin with?

Clarification-

They were not employed by the US Government but rather a food service vendor that we, a defense company, contracted our fodd services to...

Corporations should be accountable for pre screening these Vendors and be responsible for seeing that Vendors abide by copr. / federal govt. policies regarding Hiring employees

I love it when people state the obvious!

Should'a, could'a , bla bla bla......

You're in line at McDonalds and order up your burger and fries. Is it incumbent on you to verify that the employee that you placed your order with, or said differently contracted to do so, is a lawful resident?

How about when you take your clothes to the cleaners, ride in a taxicab?

It's absurd to place the responsibility of policing a contracted vendor on the customer. That's what government is for. If they're in possession of a valid business license then that's as far as one needs to go in terms of placing responsibility on the hiring customer.

Corporations are equivalent to customers at McDonald's?

[I'm Gone 60]

else why would ppl need to be "let go" for insufficient documentation to begin with?

Clarification-

They were not employed by the US Government but rather a food service vendor that we, a defense company, contracted our fodd services to...

Corporations should be accountable for pre screening these Vendors and be responsible for seeing that Vendors abide by copr. / federal govt. policies regarding Hiring employees

I love it when people state the obvious!

Should'a, could'a , bla bla bla......

You're in line at McDonalds and order up your burger and fries. Is it incumbent on you to verify that the employee that you placed your order with, or said differently contracted to do so, is a lawful resident?

How about when you take your clothes to the cleaners, ride in a taxicab?

It's absurd to place the responsibility of policing a contracted vendor on the customer. That's what government is for. If they're in possession of a valid business license then that's as far as one needs to go in terms of placing responsibility on the hiring customer.

Corporations are equivalent to customers at McDonald's?

Person/Company filling out the I-9 is the one responsible. If you hire a contractor or subcontactor it shouldn't be your job to make sure their employees are legal anymore than it's your job to make sure taxes are withheld and paid from their wages.

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Corporations are equivalent to customers at McDonald's?

The relationship between a corporation and its vendors is the equivalent of the relationship between a plumber and the company that makes plungers. The latter supplies products/services to the former, which the former then incorporates into its own business process and creates yet another product or service. The corporation should be responsible for the legality of its employees, not for the legality of the employees of its vendors. The vendors should be responsible for verifying the legality of its employees.

[Marc and Olga 0]

else why would ppl need to be "let go" for insufficient documentation to begin with?

Clarification-

They were not employed by the US Government but rather a food service vendor that we, a defense company, contracted our fodd services to...

Corporations should be accountable for pre screening these Vendors and be responsible for seeing that Vendors abide by copr. / federal govt. policies regarding Hiring employees

I love it when people state the obvious!

Should'a, could'a , bla bla bla......

You're in line at McDonalds and order up your burger and fries. Is it incumbent on you to verify that the employee that you placed your order with, or said differently contracted to do so, is a lawful resident?

How about when you take your clothes to the cleaners, ride in a taxicab?

It's absurd to place the responsibility of policing a contracted vendor on the customer. That's what government is for. If they're in possession of a valid business license then that's as far as one needs to go in terms of placing responsibility on the hiring customer.

Corporations are equivalent to customers at McDonald's?

In the case that was mentioned a defense contractor, no less!

I am of course assuming that was a U. S. Defense contractor.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

else why would ppl need to be "let go" for insufficient documentation to begin with?

Clarification-

They were not employed by the US Government but rather a food service vendor that we, a defense company, contracted our fodd services to...

Corporations should be accountable for pre screening these Vendors and be responsible for seeing that Vendors abide by copr. / federal govt. policies regarding Hiring employees

I love it when people state the obvious!

Should'a, could'a , bla bla bla......

You're in line at McDonalds and order up your burger and fries. Is it incumbent on you to verify that the employee that you placed your order with, or said differently contracted to do so, is a lawful resident?

How about when you take your clothes to the cleaners, ride in a taxicab?

It's absurd to place the responsibility of policing a contracted vendor on the customer. That's what government is for. If they're in possession of a valid business license then that's as far as one needs to go in terms of placing responsibility on the hiring customer.

Corproations have the ability and first authority to pre screen vendors/ employees, Consumers of a business have no responsibility or knowledge of the employees legal status,

HOWEVER, I do think that USA legal residents & Citizens shoul dtake personal responsibility and be watch dogs and report to ICE/USCIS any employer who they know to be employing illegal workers.

Since the US Govt. will not take actin it is up to the citizens & legal resients of this country to protect their own rights, futures, & their freedoms.

[Carol&Marc 0]

When I was a teenager I would see the border patrol driving around all the time, checking for documentation. (Its called profiling now) when you could'nt provide it, you were promptly picked up and put on bus back to where they came from (DEPORTED) to put blame on employers is kind of a cop out! If ilegals didnt break the law to get here in the first place, EMPHASIS on BREAKING THE LAW, then employers couldnt break the law to hiring them!