Another Countdown Thread!!!!!!

[Bosco 1]

I am not dismissing it by any stretch! Of course she needs to get the reason the CO denied them. But it is discrimination non the less.

Definition: discrimination>>>Definition:

1. treating people differently through prejudice: unfair treatment of one person or group, usually because of prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender

This Casa. We were discriminated due to he being Moroccan and my age. There were NO CONCRETE evidence to deny us a visa!!!! Quite plain and simple. Since it happened to us I have found the same thing happening to many other couples so it does seem to be a tread.

chi

I think this is a bit unfair. The discrimination that Casa allegedly applies exists in Moroccan society.

[chiquita 0]

Ok, I am done.

Since I brought up my experience I am shot down.

That is ok. No one, I mean no one knows what it is like to go through a denial unless they have personally have gone through it. This is a very shocking time for the couple. Very shocking.

And all of this speculation as to what they may or may not have done helps no one at all. Least of all the couple. Many people still think there is a rhyme or reason for a denial.

I belong to a group who know this is not true. Sure there may be some couples who are denied and for good reason. However when a consulate fails to follow their own giudelines and guidelines set forth in the CFR there

definitely is discrimination involved.

As to the length of time they knew each other and who intoduced them has no bearing on their case. Many times a couple have everything that is needed (and more) to establish they have a valid relationship, yet it is neglected based on the CO's suspicion. (which by the way is not to be done) I could post the CRF I am referring to but I wont bore any of you.

As it has been said before here on VJ when we were first denied...a CO can and does do as they wish and there is nothing we as Americans can do about it. Plain and simple. Senators congressman, not even they can intervene sad to say.

Private there is help avaiable for you. Hang in there.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Many Hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

chi

PS...

I am not bitter. I would never allow that emotion to destroy me. I would never let a government employee do that to me either. As an American I will fight injudtice the correct way, in the courts if need be. And then I would be a better person for it not bitter!

chi

[jordanianprincess 0]

And all of this speculation as to what they may or may not have done helps no one at all.

However when a consulate fails to follow their own giudelines and guidelines set forth in the CFR there

definitely is discrimination involved.

As to the length of time they knew each other and who intoduced them has no bearing on their case.

chi

So if this is all speculation then how do you come to a conclusion that there was discrimination? You have NO proof of that.

The fact of the matter is the length of time they know each other and how they met have ALOT to do with their case and its something EVERYONE should think about in their case. You are misinforming people.

I am not dismissing it by any stretch! Of course she needs to get the reason the CO denied them. But it is discrimination non the less.

Definition: discrimination>>>Definition:

1. treating people differently through prejudice: unfair treatment of one person or group, usually because of prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender

This Casa. We were discriminated due to he being Moroccan and my age. There were NO CONCRETE evidence to deny us a visa!!!! Quite plain and simple. Since it happened to us I have found the same thing happening to many other couples so it does seem to be a tread.

chi

I think this is a bit unfair. The discrimination that Casa allegedly applies exists in Moroccan society.

Exactly and you can't use the US standards of discrimination in Morocco because Moroccans don't live that way.

[Jenn! 918]

We've all seen bad practice at Casa, cases where the beneficiary was not even given a chance to present evidence. Many of those cases do indicate discrimination, because there was no opportunity to prove them wrong. It seems though, that this situation is a bit different, as he was in there for an hour. Just speculation though.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Ok, I am done.

Since I brought up my experience I am shot down.

That is ok. No one, I mean no one knows what it is like to go through a denial unless they have personally have gone through it. This is a very shocking time for the couple. Very shocking.

And all of this speculation as to what they may or may not have done helps no one at all. Least of all the couple. Many people still think there is a rhyme or reason for a denial.

I belong to a group who know this is not true. Sure there may be some couples who are denied and for good reason. However when a consulate fails to follow their own giudelines and guidelines set forth in the CFR there

definitely is discrimination involved.

As to the length of time they knew each other and who intoduced them has no bearing on their case. Many times a couple have everything that is needed (and more) to establish they have a valid relationship, yet it is neglected based on the CO's suspicion. (which by the way is not to be done) I could post the CRF I am referring to but I wont bore any of you.

As it has been said before here on VJ when we were first denied...a CO can and does do as they wish and there is nothing we as Americans can do about it. Plain and simple. Senators congressman, not even they can intervene sad to say.

Private there is help avaiable for you. Hang in there.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Many Hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

chi

PS...

I am not bitter. I would never allow that emotion to destroy me. I would never let a government employee do that to me either. As an American I will fight injudtice the correct way, in the courts if need be. And then I would be a better person for it not bitter!

chi

After reading this I had to ask myself what are the reasons for a denial that are acceptable? According to what you said here it seems like no one should ever be denied then.

[mybackpages 0]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

[Bosco 1]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

She means a 221(g) returned to USCIS.

[LaL 418]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

She means a 221(g) returned to USCIS.

212 i thought

[Jenn! 918]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

She means a 221(g) returned to USCIS.

212 i thought

Isn't 212 an outright denial, while a 221g is a send-back to the service center?

[mybackpages 0]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

Also i don't tink anyone is shooting down ideas, it's just i would like to see some proof to back up charges. Even if one believes discrimination plays a factor, the only way to fight a denial is to answer the charges leveled. For example even if we agree discrimination was the main factor, the denial will not be overturned by arguing discrimination.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

She means a 221(g) returned to USCIS.

Right, from what I have seen people that have very few red flags get the 221(g) but they get the visa rather quickly. I think everyone should be aware of their red flags and be fully prepared to address those in the interview in addition to all the other evidence that is required.

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

Also i don't tink anyone is shooting down ideas, it's just i would like to see some proof to back up charges. Even if one believes discrimination plays a factor, the only way to fight a denial is to answer the charges leveled. For example even if we agree discrimination was the main factor, the denial will not be overturned by arguing discrimination.

Discrimination would be impossible to prove and you cant use discrimination by US standards.

[Jenn! 918]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

Also i don't tink anyone is shooting down ideas, it's just i would like to see some proof to back up charges. Even if one believes discrimination plays a factor, the only way to fight a denial is to answer the charges leveled. For example even if we agree discrimination was the main factor, the denial will not be overturned by arguing discrimination.

You're right. It really doesn't matter why you think they sent it back, only why they say they sent it back. So if they told Private they were sending it back because they've haven't known each other long enough, can we think of anything that could possibly refute that? I mean either they've known each other long enough or they haven't.

Discrimination would be impossible to prove and you cant use discrimination by US standards.

I agree with the former statement, but why couldn't you apply U.S. standards? It is the U.S. Consulate, and CO's are U.S. government employees, are they not?

[jordanianprincess 0]

Also I have yet to see as case with no red flags gets a 221g.

Hasn't it become standard to issue the 221g pending security checks at Casa?

Also i don't tink anyone is shooting down ideas, it's just i would like to see some proof to back up charges. Even if one believes discrimination plays a factor, the only way to fight a denial is to answer the charges leveled. For example even if we agree discrimination was the main factor, the denial will not be overturned by arguing discrimination.

You're right. It really doesn't matter why you think they sent it back, only why they say they sent it back. So if they told Private they were sending it back because they've haven't known each other long enough, can we think of anything that could possibly refute that? I mean either they've known each other long enough or they haven't.

Discrimination would be impossible to prove and you cant use discrimination by US standards.

I agree with the former statement, but why couldn't you apply U.S. standards? It is the U.S. Consulate, and CO's are U.S. government employees, are they not?

That is true but its not the petioner that is on the stand here, its the beneficiary so why would they apply US standards to him/her? They know the culture of the country and thats what they use.

[Bosco 1]

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Discrimination would be impossible to prove and you cant use discrimination by US standards.

I agree with the former statement, but why couldn't you apply U.S. standards? It is the U.S. Consulate, and CO's are U.S. government employees, are they not?

That is true but its not the petioner that is on the stand here, its the beneficiary so why would they apply US standards to him/her? They know the culture of the country and thats what they use.

Exactly. We may view it as discriminatory but that type of discrimination could be common or even a norm in the country the beneficiary is from. Thus, they CO is going to why the individual is going against the grain for some reason other than a visa.

[Jenn! 918]

Discrimination would be impossible to prove and you cant use discrimination by US standards.

I agree with the former statement, but why couldn't you apply U.S. standards? It is the U.S. Consulate, and CO's are U.S. government employees, are they not?

That is true but its not the petioner that is on the stand here, its the beneficiary so why would they apply US standards to him/her? They know the culture of the country and thats what they use.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think Casa would legally be able to deny a case solely because the petitioner is black, even if that would be frowned upon in Morocco. Of course, this is probably a moot point, since they would never say that was the reason for denial.

Doesn't the petitioner have any protection throughout this process under U.S. law, regardless of what the cultural norms may be in the beneficiary's country?

Edited October 17, 2006 by jenn3539