Why the obsession with Muslims and sex?

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Took months to get the sand out of my slippers...

Naturally.

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I believe, but I could be wrong, that Sandinista is referencing Orientalism by Edward Said. His theory has since been revised in newer scholarship, but is still considered seminal. Newer scholarship is looking into a deeper range of complexities... so not entirely refuting Said but more adding to and revising. Said defined Orientalism as being the prejudice Westerners of a Eurocentric viewpoint impose and place on Arab and Islamic peoples (not Jews or Israelis). He believed this to be a continuum from the Middle Ages onward, if I recall my Said correctly. It has been a while lol. Anyway, he brought to point the Victorian obsession with the Middle East-- the romanticism of the harem, the brutality/sexuality of the men in Victorian romance novels for women (the whole getting kidnapped by the Arab guy and being forced into his harem or to marry him or whatever), the paintings which always illustrated Arab women as sexual, coy, and whatnot, etc.

Oh I have the funniest story. When my grandmother died, I got all of her books from her library from the 1920s and I was shocked to find all these books like night in the harem etc. My grandmother was burning for a sheikh...

I collect Orientalist art and orientalist books just for fun. I inherited some and bought others and have a whole lot of handpainted pictures from the era as well as a painting. I love FA Brigdeman. I actually have 2 of his books, Winters in Algeria. It shows pictures from the 1880s of all the different ethnic groups and tells wonderful small stories about their every day lives.

Orientalist art is where I thought she was going but it makes a heck of a lot more sense what you are referring to. Had I GOOGLED the word before I launched into a conversation about Orientalism, or Orientalist Art, the whole comment would have been different

HOWEVER...I do know a story of the daughter of a french general who was kidnapped and taken to the sahara and had a bout a dozen kids with him. Perhaps some of the stuff is exagerrated but love with an arab can be a heady, swooning heady experience if you get the right one.

I say.. KIDNAP me and take me to the casbah and put me in a harem like grandmas book talks about ahhahahahah

ok I need a pepsi

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I took a whole course on Italian Orientalism. The only thing I recall was watching Il Bagno Turco. Sexy!

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still shaking the sound out

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Julianna knows things I'm going to say before I even think them sometimes. Or I'm that predictable.

Kat, Louis Comfort Tiffany painted some really lovely Moroccan scenes in that era too. Everyone always thinks of his glasswork, but he was a great painter too, and spent a lot of time in NA.

still shaking the sound out

I would hazard a guess that I'm not the only one here who doesn't get what you're talking about.

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I would hazard a guess that I'm not the only one here who doesn't get what you're talking about.

I have no idea as well.

Julianna knows things I'm going to say before I even think them sometimes. Or I'm that predictable.

Kat, Louis Comfort Tiffany painted some really lovely Moroccan scenes in that era too. Everyone always thinks of his glasswork, but he was a great painter too, and spent a lot of time in NA.

LOl! I read your response and thought, oh, Said! LCT's windows were mostly designed by women working under his name

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He made a big dent, for sure. And certainly got the ball rolling when it comes to that discussion.

It figures re Tiffany. Lots of stuff men have gotten credit for in the art world turns out to be that way...

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He made a big dent, for sure. And certainly got the ball rolling when it comes to that discussion.

It figures re Tiffany. Lots of stuff men have gotten credit for in the art world turns out to be that way...

There is a History Detectives where they also talk about the LCT window stuff. Pretty fun episode, even though it lacks any floppy rigor.

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:-D

I think a floppy rigor haiku is in order.

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:-D

I think a floppy rigor haiku is in order.

Yes!

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Julianna knows things I'm going to say before I even think them sometimes. Or I'm that predictable.

Kat, Louis Comfort Tiffany painted some really lovely Moroccan scenes in that era too. Everyone always thinks of his glasswork, but he was a great painter too, and spent a lot of time in NA.

I would hazard a guess that I'm not the only one here who doesn't get what you're talking about.

Me neither

We have a beautiful tiffany museum here in the Orlando area.. I have never been.. must go look for orientalist scenes LOL

Just kidding

I actually bought original copies of FA BRIDGEMAN's Winters in Algeria

They are very neat because they talk about ethnic groups that are no longer in Algeria anymore like the turcos, the descendants of the ottomans

Also what was particularly interesting are the accounts of the slaves of algiers, at one point there were half a million europeans enslaved in algeria..hence all the red hair and blue eyes.. The pirates used to grab entire villiages off the coast of europe

:-D

I think a floppy rigor haiku is in order.

I concur

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He made a big dent, for sure. And certainly got the ball rolling when it comes to that discussion.

It figures re Tiffany. Lots of stuff men have gotten credit for in the art world turns out to be that way...

You will recognize Algiers all through these series of paintings. I bought the original books....and I have some amazing ones on libya and morocco as well. If you buy the used ones off ebay, you can find lovely maps, pictures of peoples journeys across North Africa. I have one about a divorced woman who went to libya in the 1920s. It was called KAFIRA....thats what they called her

His mother was the famed orientalist painter Juanita Guccione, his father was a married algerian who chose his scottish wife over the painter Juanita and she fled Algeria with her infant son. Her paintings were sent back to Algeria a few years ago and are now in the Algerian national museum. He is now a reknowned painter.

His mothers paintings were painted of her lover and his tribe, the ouled nails, his algerian father abandoned the baby and the american mother went to live with her other artist sister in New York with her child

Here are some of her paintings..

Juanita Guccione, Painter of Algeria, mother of Djelloul Marbrook poet

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There is a History Detectives where they also talk about the LCT window stuff. Pretty fun episode, even though it lacks any floppy rigor.

yes.. perhaps you need to enlighten us Juliana

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Wonder if role play is popular in MENA?

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Wonder if role play is popular in MENA?

Perhaps it is, my queen.

yes.. perhaps you need to enlighten us Juliana

That was pretty much it-- a guy thought his grandmother designed windows for LCT and it turned out she did. They then found a few.