Jury gives "faith healing" mother prison time in 9 year old son's diabetes-related death

[Obama 2012 1,714]

A comedian to prove your illogical position. Carlan rocks, but your position remains lunacy.

position eh?

Let me put this to you plainly.

The next time you see a news story about one of the following:

-Woman Raped

-Child Raped

-Family Killed By Drunk Driver\

-Store Clerk Shot During Robbery

-Officer Shot During Traffic Stop

-etc... to name a few.

OR better yet when you're walking down the street and a man/woman/child is killed by someone and you are powerless to stop it, you go ahead and think back to how they had no "right" to do that and how our "laws" should have stopped that, and then maybe you will see and understand what nature really is.

You don't have to "like" what people do, and you can punish them AFTER the fact, but you can't stop anyone from doing anything.

[james&olya 1,121]

Again, your comprehension is lacking. I never said it's "protected" -- Your "rights" in society are not rights. They are temporary (as Carlin likes to put it) privileges that everyone else around you allows you to have.

You can't stop anyone from robbing a store. You can't stop a mother from neglecting her child. You can't stop someone from killing another. You can't stop anyone from doing anything that they want to do of their own free will. As I said, you can attempt to 'punish' them after the fact, but that there again is what you/we as a society choose to do to someone who does something we do not like.

Laws of nature supersede the laws of man. Man may write his own laws, but he does not control the actions that come before they may be applied.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Oh yes, so hard to understand.

You know people deny the holocaust ever happened for the exact same reasons why you can't understand the reality of a situation.

People don't want to see other people as capable of evil things. They think laws protect them and those around them. Laws protect nothing. They create a scenario to punish those who do things that society does not like, but they do not stop the events from happening. Of course I suppose you haven't turned on the news lately and saw the murders that happen each and every day. You don't hear about the women raped after going to the bar at night or for just wandering around a college campus. Nope, none of that happens. After all, the "laws" prevent those things from happening so it's impossible for them to take place.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

In the first place Paul you're completely wrong if you believe laws don't prevent crime, it is not at all inconcievable that people often choose not to do something that could get them into trouble. In fact it happens all the time.

While it is true that other individuals ignore laws and commit crimes, your position is they have a right to their actions. Wrong, so wrong in fact your little dance pretending everyone not understanding you is missing a simple concept is making your position appear even more nuts.

Laws do prevent some amount of crime, an unknowable quantity to be sure. It is obviously not possible to accurately count events/actions that never occured. And certainly the law is often applied to punish actions contrary to said laws, but it is absolutely wring to assert laws offer no protection from both sides, prevention/deterrence and consequence/punishment.

[james&olya 1,121]

Oh yes, so hard to understand.

You know people deny the holocaust ever happened for the exact same reasons why you can't understand the reality of a situation.

People don't want to see other people as capable of evil things. They think laws protect them and those around them. Laws protect nothing. They create a scenario to punish those who do things that society does not like, but they do not stop the events from happening. Of course I suppose you haven't turned on the news lately and saw the murders that happen each and every day. You don't hear about the women raped after going to the bar at night or for just wandering around a college campus. Nope, none of that happens. After all, the "laws" prevent those things from happening so it's impossible for them to take place.

Wow!!

[Obama 2012 1,714]

In the first place Paul you're completely wrong if you believe laws don't prevent crime, it is not at all inconcievable that people often choose not to do something that could get them into trouble. In fact it happens all the time.

While it is true that other individuals ignore laws and commit crimes, your position is they have a right to their actions. Wrong, so wrong in fact your little dance pretending everyone not understanding you is missing a simple concept is making your position appear even more nuts.

Laws do prevent some amount of crime, an unknowable quantity to be sure. It is obviously not possible to accurately count events/actions that never occured. And certainly the law is often applied to punish actions contrary to said laws, but it is absolutely wring to assert laws offer no protection from both sides, prevention/deterrence and consequence/punishment.

A crime is something that is made up to control other beings. There's no such thing as a true crime. It's a part of our nature to want to 'tame' one another and to bend each other to our will. Why do you think even the most ridiculous of things is a 'crime.' -- To keep people in control and to attempt to stop them from doing what a few individuals do not like. You can make a crime out of anything. You just have to convince others to join in your cause and have a reason to back it up. Perhaps it's a good idea or perhaps not. However most items that are 'crimes' don't have any type of bearing on an individuals lives if they occurred. Few and far between actually. It's why our laws aren't necessarily smart laws, they are reactionary laws to one person not liking what another person did.

If laws prevented 'crimes' then you'd see a much smaller prison population than we have in this country. Almost a quarter of a billion people are 'caught' and 'convicted' of alleged crimes and are in jail right now. Now stop and think about all of the people who do the same things if not worse than those in prison right now who never get caught and who continue to commit said 'crimes.' -- Your naive to think that crime is prevented by mere laws and consequence of said laws.

Again, that's not even the point that's being made here anyway. The point has been that it doesn't matter if there's a law or not, human nature dictates what's going to occur and not occur. Raging dictators can kill 6-10 million people EACH during the same time period and many won't ever believe it. Laws be damned and laws can be changed at will. After all, we're human and our nature is that of leaders and followers. A leader says kill, and we rush to do so. A leader says stay put and be calm, and we do that as well. We're animals through and through. We can like it or not, but we'll never change that fact.

[james&olya 1,121]

A crime is something that is made up to control other beings. There's no such thing as a true crime. It's a part of our nature to want to 'tame' one another and to bend each other to our will. Why do you think even the most ridiculous of things is a 'crime.' -- To keep people in control and to attempt to stop them from doing what a few individuals do not like. You can make a crime out of anything. You just have to convince others to join in your cause and have a reason to back it up. Perhaps it's a good idea or perhaps not. However most items that are 'crimes' don't have any type of bearing on an individuals lives if they occurred. Few and far between actually. It's why our laws aren't necessarily smart laws, they are reactionary laws to one person not liking what another person did.

If laws prevented 'crimes' then you'd see a much smaller prison population than we have in this country. Almost a quarter of a billion people are 'caught' and 'convicted' of alleged crimes and are in jail right now. Now stop and think about all of the people who do the same things if not worse than those in prison right now who never get caught and who continue to commit said 'crimes.' -- Your naive to think that crime is prevented by mere laws and consequence of said laws.

Again, that's not even the point that's being made here anyway. The point has been that it doesn't matter if there's a law or not, human nature dictates what's going to occur and not occur. Raging dictators can kill 6-10 million people EACH during the same time period and many won't ever believe it. Laws be damned and laws can be changed at will. After all, we're human and our nature is that of leaders and followers. A leader says kill, and we rush to do so. A leader says stay put and be calm, and we do that as well. We're animals through and through. We can like it or not, but we'll never change that fact.

How can one argue with such 'logic'?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

How can one argue with such 'logic'?

I don't think I have enough tinfoil...

[Obama 2012 1,714]

oh and 2.5+ million... not quarter of a billion in prison.

Though you all entirely miss the point again I see. That's fine. I'm sure you'll remember that when watching the nightly news.

[unlockingsky 94]

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If laws prevented 'crimes' then you'd see a much smaller prison population than we have in this country. Almost a quarter of a billion people are 'caught' and 'convicted' of alleged crimes and are in jail right now. Now stop and think about all of the people who do the same things if not worse than those in prison right now who never get caught and who continue to commit said 'crimes.' -- Your naive to think that crime is prevented by mere laws and consequence of said laws.

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don't forget about egotistic prosecutors that want to make a killing spree record! then you also have the prison contractors lobbying at judicial and executive level. i wish they are in the stock market, i could have buy some of them because they are just stable as utility stocks. this just proves how stable prison business are in the market. i know the fact at recession, they had to release a lot of prisoners because they can no longer fund the prisons... im like #######? a criminal is a criminal and sentences need to be server in proper manner.

Edited June 4, 2012 by unlockingsky

[james&olya 1,121]

i know the fact at recession, they had to release a lot of prisoners because they can no longer fund the prisons... im like #######? a criminal is a criminal and sentences need to be server in proper manner.

Prisons cost money. Who should be paying? If you vote for the 'tax-cut-for-every-problem' tea party you have to understand that everything taxes pay for must get cut also, including prison budgets.