George Zimmerman Case: Charges Should Be Dropped

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Im not sure why the Stand your ground law would be important here. According to Zimmerman he was attacked, the guy didnt walk into Zimmermans house.

after the guy is sitting on top of you beating on you, where are you going to retreat to?

It would just be simple self defense.

Now somebody was sitting on top of somebody else and according to a witness beating him MMA (mixed martial arts) style.

999 times out of 1000 the guy on the bottom would be the one screaming like a little girl if anybody was.

the evidence does point to Zimmerman being on the bottom

I can't imagine myself beating the ####### outta somebody and screaming for help the whole time.

Based on the autopsy report, Martin had no visible wound except for the bullet wound and a cut on his left hand ring finger. However, if the gf's testimony is credible, she heard Martin being shoved to the point that he dropped his cell phone. And according to her, Martin confronted Zimmerman, asking him why he was following him and Zimmerman's only response was with another question, "What are you doing here?" Zimmerman should have at that moment said, "I'm on neighborhood watch and I live here." Whoever shoved first doesn't really matter then in that case, because Zimmerman's actions led to the encounter and his lack of disclosure escalated that confrontation to whatever happened next. Martin may have felt his only way to stop Zimmerman from following him home whereby Zimmerman would know where he lives, would be put a stop to it right there, but certainly he felt threatened by Zimmerman's odd behavior. Meanwhile, Zimmerman assumed the worst of Martin, and believed he was a criminal, which affected his judgment.

All of that adds up to Zimmerman being culpable for Martin's death, IMO. Even if Martin knocked Zimmerman to the ground, it appears clear to me that he was not intending to kill Zimmerman but to get him to stop following. When you combine that with Zimmerman's comments during the 911 call, he knew exactly what he was getting himself into by following Martin. He was acting like a paranoid, wannabe cop, frustrated for not making it on the force and frustrated with recent criminal behavior in his neighborhood. That doesn't justify disregarding the 911 dispatcher, deliberately putting himself in potential harm and then claiming self defense when Martin lashed out from being provoked. There would be no justice in letting Zimmerman off under such circumstances. An innocent, unarmed teenager minding his own business while trying to get back home is dead and his death was a direct result of Zimmerman's actions and behavior that night.

[Dakine10 5,452]

4 witnesses change stories in Trayvon Martin shooting

Looks like there won't be any charges getting dropped.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

4 witnesses change stories in Trayvon Martin shooting

Looks like there won't be any charges getting dropped.

Witness 6: A male neighbor, whose story change was initially reported Friday, first told police Martin was on top of Zimmerman and throwing down punches mixed martial arts style. He also first said Zimmerman was calling for help. The man later said he wasn’t sure who was yelling for help, and that Martin may have merely pinned Zimmerman to the ground. He was still sure, however, that Martin was on top.

Wow!

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[PMartin37 161]

Wow!

This explanation to me sounds more plausible based on the evidence photos of Zimmerman's injuries. I didn't see anything that looked like a broken nose...scratches yes. No black eyes (they reported he had black eyes though). The physical evidence of his injuries does NOT add up to having a pummeling as he's suggested. The marks on the back of his head I believe were made somehow with Martin's fingernails (he had Zimmerman's blood under his fingernails).

OOPS I meant to respond to the bottom comment on your post haha

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[one...two...tree 2,762]

This explanation to me sounds more plausible based on the evidence photos of Zimmerman's injuries. I didn't see anything that looked like a broken nose...scratches yes. No black eyes (they reported he had black eyes though). The physical evidence of his injuries does NOT add up to having a pummeling as he's suggested. The marks on the back of his head I believe were made somehow with Martin's fingernails (he had Zimmerman's blood under his fingernails).

OOPS I meant to respond to the bottom comment on your post haha

Yep. If Martin saw during their shoving match that Zimmerman was packing a gun and not knowing who he was or why he was following him, jumping on top of Zimmerman and yelling for help sounds plausible. Also, it wasn't that Zimmerman was merely walking behind Martin, but must have ran after him because the confrontation happened AFTER Martin began to run away.

How many here wouldn't have jumped Zimmerman if he was running after you after you started running to get away from him if you feared that he would follow you all the way to your home? No wonder Zimmerman didn't make the police force. He lacks common sense.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Mister Fancypants

[PMartin37 161]

Yep. If Martin saw during their shoving match that Zimmerman was packing a gun and not knowing who he was or why he was following him, jumping on top of Zimmerman and yelling for help sounds plausible. Also, it wasn't that Zimmerman was merely walking behind Martin, but must have ran after him because the confrontation happened AFTER Martin began to run away.

How many here wouldn't have jumped Zimmerman if he was running after you after you started running to get away from him if you feared that he would follow you all the way to your home? No wonder Zimmerman didn't make the police force. He lacks common sense.

He lacks marbles. Of course that's just my opinion. I used to work with a guy that actually told me he'd be willing to kill someone for enough money. I just laughed it off because I thought he was trying to sound tough. As I got to know him better, I realized he loved authority and was ready to take down anyone who wanted to challenge him. He finally got bold enough to bring a gun to work and brandish it- yes brandish it and bragging to my best friend (also female). Well, she reported his crazy a** and he was taken out in handcuffs by the cops and fired from that job. He now works for the sheriff's office in the county I live in ( a cushy little desk job)- his Dad is sort of big deal around here. So, I'm familiar with this type of person. Some people think he's a good guy. Only the ones that know his past know otherwise.

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[one...two...tree 2,762]

Let's just cut to the chase and say Zimmerman came out guns a blazin and gunned him down with a howitzer when Trayvon had his back turned to him.

No. More like Zimmerman instigated the whole thing, scared the living sh!t out of an unarmed teenager just trying to get home by following, then running after him to the point that the teenager confronted Zimmerman, the two got into a shoving match, and Martin tried to pin Zimmerman to the ground once he realized Zimmerman was packing, yelling for help while trying to keep Zimmerman's hand from grabbing the gun. When Zimmerman managed to get his hand free, he drew his gun, shot and killed Martin, believing he had the law behind him since Martin was on top of him. That's not justifiable homicide, that's being a pu$$y.

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[Penguin_ie 5,994]

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[Dan and Judy 614]

Based on the autopsy report, Martin had no visible wound except for the bullet wound and a cut on his left hand ring finger. However, if the gf's testimony is credible, she heard Martin being shoved to the point that he dropped his cell phone.

in what way would there be difference in sound between, someone dropping their phone on the ground just before punching someone else, and someone being shoved and made to drop their phone.

[Dan and Judy 614]

This explanation to me sounds more plausible based on the evidence photos of Zimmerman's injuries. I didn't see anything that looked like a broken nose...scratches yes. No black eyes (they reported he had black eyes though). The physical evidence of his injuries does NOT add up to having a pummeling as he's suggested. The marks on the back of his head I believe were made somehow with Martin's fingernails (he had Zimmerman's blood under his fingernails).

The autopsy report said there was blood under the fingernails of his right hand, but the DNA in that blood was Martin's.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/05/17/police-documents-in-george-zimmerman-case/

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[Usui Takumi 1,562]

IS there any mention of a blood stain on zimmerman? I do think this raises questions if Martin's blood is not on Zimmerman.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Yep. If Martin saw during their shoving match that Zimmerman was packing a gun and not knowing who he was or why he was following him, jumping on top of Zimmerman and yelling for help sounds plausible. Also, it wasn't that Zimmerman was merely walking behind Martin, but must have ran after him because the confrontation happened AFTER Martin began to run away.

You are kidding yourself if you think Zimmerman ran this kid down. Martin stopped to confront Zimmerman. There is no law against that but it gives an idea of his frame of mind. The kind of guy that

would be screaming for help is the kind of guy that would have kept running and Zimmerman never would have caught him.

How many here wouldn't have jumped Zimmerman if he was running after you after you started running to get away from him if you feared that he would follow you all the way to your home? No wonder Zimmerman didn't make the police force. He lacks common sense.

There is no indication that he ever tried to get on the police force

In Dec 2008, Zimmerman applied to attend the Citizens Law Enforcement Academy. He offered info that he was arrested July 2005 in an incident involving undercover UCF officers.

He was accepted and completed the program http://www.wftv.com/news/news/rallies-continue-support-17-year-old-trayvon-marti/nLXJ7/

[Dan and Judy 614]

IS there any mention of a blood stain on zimmerman? I do think this raises questions if Martin's blood is not on Zimmerman.

seems like a lot of his own blood.

The jacket he was wearing was exhibit DMs-19, they give each stain it's own letter.

Stain N had DNA that was a match for Trayvon and also DNA that was a match for Zimmerman

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

seems like a lot of his own blood.

The jacket he was wearing was exhibit DMs-19, they give each stain it's own letter.

Stain N had DNA that was a match for Trayvon and also DNA that was a match for Zimmerman

Okay, so there was some back splatter from the gunshot then in all likelihood.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yep. If Martin saw during their shoving match that Zimmerman was packing a gun and not knowing who he was or why he was following him, jumping on top of Zimmerman and yelling for help sounds plausible. Also, it wasn't that Zimmerman was merely walking behind Martin, but must have ran after him because the confrontation happened AFTER Martin began to run away.

You are kidding yourself if you think Zimmerman ran this kid down. Martin stopped to confront Zimmerman. There is no law against that but it gives an idea of his frame of mind. The kind of guy that

would be screaming for help is the kind of guy that would have kept running and Zimmerman never would have caught him.

I wasn't thinking that Zimmerman ran him down, but rather he cut him off and I base it on the gf's account of the cell phone call. I'd recommend you read it - if her account is credible, Martin was clearly trying to get away from Zimmerman to the point where he began to run away. That is corroborated with Zimmerman's 911 call where he tells the dispatcher he is running, at which point Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, because he could no longer follow Martin by driving. Zimmerman most likely intercepted Martin based on the gf's account as well as the location of Martin's body to Zimmerman's vehicle, which was on the other side of one of the condo buildings and which contradicts Zimmerman's claim that Martin approached him while he was in his vehicle.

Whether Zimmerman actually tried out for the police force or not, he has a track record of being a wannabe cop. The countless phone calls to police, appointing himself the neighborhood watch 'captain,' and of course, choosing to carry a gun while on neighborhood watch. That night he took on the role of law enforcement by pursuing Martin. The lead investigator has said that Martin would be alive today had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and listened to the 911 Dispatcher.