2nd interview at cairo embassy

[samy + janet aly 9]

i can tell you this...scam artists will not wait 2 years for someone to marry them. he saw me thru alot of trouble times thru everything but no way i know he is the real thing. he fears what allah may do to him if he makes anything wrong. no it is not odd for his requests. before him i was a mess and never finished anything. now i see all the impirtance to finish things before i can do anything. he is a good man. well respected by all his friends and students and their families. when his mom was sick he stopped colleg and military to take care of her until she died. he has a big heart. never spoke any bad words to me or yell at me even when he was mad with me about something. he is a gentle man. like 1 in a million..

his exwife is the one who ask for divorce so he gave it to her. yes she is young but that is how they do there. she couldnt handle colleg, baby, husband and home. her college was important to her and with him being a teacher he knows education is important too. so she asked for divorce and he gave to her and she back to alexandria with her parents to continue college 4 yrs ago.

we planned together to get married within that 2 years but i had to finish my divorce first.

but i see what you are saying though.

[NY_BX 397]

i can tell you this...scam artists will not wait 2 years for someone to marry them. he saw me thru alot of trouble times thru everything but no way i know he is the real thing. he fears what allah may do to him if he makes anything wrong. no it is not odd for his requests. before him i was a mess and never finished anything. now i see all the impirtance to finish things before i can do anything. he is a good man. well respected by all his friends and students and their families. when his mom was sick he stopped colleg and military to take care of her until she died. he has a big heart. never spoke any bad words to me or yell at me even when he was mad with me about something. he is a gentle man. like 1 in a million..

his exwife is the one who ask for divorce so he gave it to her. yes she is young but that is how they do there. she couldnt handle colleg, baby, husband and home. her college was important to her and with him being a teacher he knows education is important too. so she asked for divorce and he gave to her and she back to alexandria with her parents to continue college 4 yrs ago.

we planned together to get married within that 2 years but i had to finish my divorce first.

but i see what you are saying though.

The bold statement above isn't accurate. Scam artists will wait what seems to be a lifetime to get what they want. That's why they're artists. It takes craft and effort to pull out the perfect scam/ lie and get away with it. Rarely anything illegal done by impulse works out.

I believe you. I really do. But that's not the issue. The CO needs to believe him. For some odd reason s/he didn't.

So, the other thing is, did you marry immediately after your divorce? I mean, how long did you wait? That's also a red flag on your part.

Another personal question: do you send him money? does he send you money? If you do, did he showed proof of this to the CO? Remember, that may be seen as paying off a contractual debt... if you know what I mean.

You as the USC needed to prepare him thoroughly for his interview. All the research should've been done and you should've have an answer for all these red flags. VJ is here to help you with that. If you see what I'm saying, then you see what the CO is trained to see at a glance. You do not need to prove you love him. He needs to prove he is telling the truth. This is a case where you're guilty until proven innocent. Horrible to think like that, but it is.

Edited May 18, 2012 by NY_BX

[Egypts Girl 9]

After stumbling on to this posting, reading it, and pondering, I've come to this conclusion.

#1. American woman has to have the Permission to Marry letter from Embassy. This is for protection for the American.

NEVER is asked at embassy at this time if your soon to be husband was ever married, and if he was, there is no question of how long divorced? If so, then if a American woman was marrying a Egyptian man under this 90 days period, and he is free to take his former wife back up to 90 days, then that will make you the 2nd wife. U.S. embassy would inform you of this possibility. After all , they are looking at your best interest. There fore the 90 days waiting period would per mainly to the "former" Egyptian-Islamic wife, right? Yes!!

#2. The man's divorce decree is final with all the official stamps on it, PERIOD!!!, there fore he is divorced from the ex, ( unless he takes her back) within 90 days, then YOU are the 2nd wife then, as stated above.....

He IS legally able to marry whom ever he wants when he gets all the bells and whistles and stamps on that decree.

#3 Yes marrying so soon after a divorce is a red flag to the embassy, but there are cirstances to every case.

The embassy looks at the relationship, the length of it before the marriage occured, how many visits after the marriage, they look at the family relationship of the couple, if her and his family communicate, chat, and same with him with your family, if his family accpets the marriage, and is close to his family, his and yours, age, religion, COMMUNICATION, when I got my Permission to Marry letter , they asked "does he speak English", and my fiance' at that time, gently pushed me aside, and said as loud as he could, "YES, I speak English, and how are you today? " The lady giggled, stamped my paper, and gave us her congrats, many , many, many factors.

That is my 2 cents, and Im stickin to it........

[And_Sam 44]

This is a very puzzling problem and I am so sorry that you two are going through it. I know for a fact that they do home interviews/investigations, but our was while our case was still in the NVC stage. The people who were sent to investigate/interview my husband were some men who were connected to the US embassy, they were not actually COs. Also they never once talked to my husband there, they did go to his home that he shares with his mom and brother and questioned them about our relatioinship. They also went to his place of business and talked to customers there who knows him.

As far as red flags go, I guess we had all the signs. Yes, I am older, outside of child bearing years, I married on our first visit together after being there a total of 1 day, We are different religions and I am not planning on converting to muslim anytime soon.

With saying all that I was there for his interview, (my 2nd trip to Egypt) and wouldn't you know it that he received exactly 1 week after his interview. Of course I had left the night before. Just my luck!

So i truly don't think any of those would cause a red flag.

In saying that one thing did stick out to me that you had said. About having to live with HIS family once he arrived. Also his best FRIEND lives in North Carolina. So this shows he all ready has family and contacts here in the US. I am certain this is something that the Embassy investigates too.

I sure hope that something will work out for you and your husband. I know this has to be heart breaking for you two.

[NY_BX 397]

After stumbling on to this posting, reading it, and pondering, I've come to this conclusion.

#1. American woman has to have the Permission to Marry letter from Embassy. This is for protection for the American.

NEVER is asked at embassy at this time if your soon to be husband was ever married, and if he was, there is no question of how long divorced? If so, then if a American woman was marrying a Egyptian man under this 90 days period, and he is free to take his former wife back up to 90 days, then that will make you the 2nd wife. U.S. embassy would inform you of this possibility. After all , they are looking at your best interest. There fore the 90 days waiting period would per mainly to the "former" Egyptian-Islamic wife, right? Yes!!

#2. The man's divorce decree is final with all the official stamps on it, PERIOD!!!, there fore he is divorced from the ex, ( unless he takes her back) within 90 days, then YOU are the 2nd wife then, as stated above.....

He IS legally able to marry whom ever he wants when he gets all the bells and whistles and stamps on that decree.

#3 Yes marrying so soon after a divorce is a red flag to the embassy, but there are cirstances to every case.

The embassy looks at the relationship, the length of it before the marriage occured, how many visits after the marriage, they look at the family relationship of the couple, if her and his family communicate, chat, and same with him with your family, if his family accpets the marriage, and is close to his family, his and yours, age, religion, COMMUNICATION, when I got my Permission to Marry letter , they asked "does he speak English", and my fiance' at that time, gently pushed me aside, and said as loud as he could, "YES, I speak English, and how are you today? " The lady giggled, stamped my paper, and gave us her congrats, many , many, many factors.

That is my 2 cents, and Im stickin to it........

Great points. So, in your opinion, the issue then is not the 90 days waiting period?

[Egypts Girl 9]

No the 90 days is not an issue, unless the jerk takes his former wife back, then in turn, YOUR the 2nd wife. Immigration then will most likely refuse the visa if they find out he shacked back up with the ex.........

And Im sure the embassy would make us aware of that when applying for the Permission to Marry letter......

Like I said, once he gets his decree with all the stamps, he is free to marry anyone......

[And_Sam 44]

No the 90 days is not an issue, unless the jerk takes his former wife back, then in turn, YOUR the 2nd wife. Immigration then will most likely refuse the visa if they find out he shacked back up with the ex.........

And Im sure the embassy would make us aware of that when applying for the Permission to Marry letter......

Like I said, once he gets his decree with all the stamps, he is free to marry anyone......

I am sure they (embassy) wouldn't say something when doing the permission to marry, that is more to show the egyptain embasy that the us citizen is legal to marry. They would definitely find something when they are doing the background check or home visit though.....

[NY_BX 397]

I am sure they (embassy) wouldn't say something when doing the permission to marry, that is more to show the egyptain embasy that the us citizen is legal to marry. They would definitely find something when they are doing the background check or home visit though.....

My suspicion exactly.....

So the 90 days are not the issue. The issue could be he took her back even though all the stamps are posted.

Then it is a story she isn't aware of....

[Chynna/gapamix 11]

a friend here said i needed to post what happen on may 15 2012 when my husband had a second interview at the embassy in cairo. it did not go well. he was refused and our file is being sent back to USCIS for possible revocation.

they seem to think my husbands divorce paper is not real. the people inside the embassy and the CO do not know that in a divorce in egypt (Islam) there is a 90 day waiting period called the IDDAT (IDDAH). this 90 waiting period is for the female to make sure she is not pregnant. also this 90 period also stand for that if her husband wants to take her back and he could without her permission, he can do so.

after 90 days and he does not take her back then the divorce is final and the female moves back home with her parents. that is a divorce in Islam and Egypt. if the CO did her job she would have known this and also the immigrant visa chief. but he says not a legal divorce for immigration purposes. if they did their homework like they suppose to then they would have seen it is a legal and binding divorce and it was signed off in the court and ministry of justice in egypt.

even after the congressmans office emailed back and forth with cairo embassy, she found out they sent it off to USCIS for review. now it is up to me to prove this and i have all i need here to prove it.

my husband was upset and still is about the way he was treated by the CO there.she tried to make him out to be a liar but he stuck to his words and faith and kept telling her he is no liar. the CO had a problem with it back on jan 2 2012 at his first interview.

weirdest thing, the same CO he had in january also interviewed him on may 15. do you think they would have put someone else there on it.

we have been on this journey since october 29 2010 and it seems like it will never end.

First I would like to say I am sorry you and your spouse are going through this. I know it is hard to deal with when all you want is to be together.

I find it amazing and how much assistance you recieved when you asked your question. The fact that people took the time to disect your issue and come up with various reasons as to why this has happened is commendable and shows unity within your culture/country.

I have the same situation or I should say similar situation. I posted yesterday but I have gotten only 2 responses yet you have 2 pages.. .Amazing, you are very lucky to get great help from VJ and so much attention given to your situation. I do hope it all helps you and your case. Best of luck on the rest of your journey.

Chynna

[Clariz 2]

Another red flag. Yes, if you ask for a translator they should provide him one. However, he must prove he is able to communicate with you. Do you speak arabic?

I'm sorry I'm being negative. I really really really want you to cover all the loopholes so the 3rd time IS A CHARM! You know what I mean?

Edited May 19, 2012 by Clariz

[Clariz 2]

Wait a minute, hold on... if I am understanding this, you wrote to the embassy- let's call it a complaint- about a home visit your husband received 2 days after his 1st interview? Girl, I believe they believe your husband is still married to his previous wife. So, if I understand this correctly, your husband got a 2nd interview after a home visit from the embassy, right? Ok, that IS very unusual. They see enough evidence to refuse on the grounds of misrepresentation. This is serious because it may trigger a ban.

If your document is real- and I believe you- then it's not that. So, let's revisit the 90-day issue: did he divorce and immediately married you? IN other words, your marriage certificate shows you married- let's say- a week after that document is stamped?

I am not trying to give you a hard time at all. I really want to help out because the quasi-misrepresentation issue is serious. The embassy offcial's visit to his home is a detail you didn't state before and it is even more important than having a 2nd interview.

And again, they know about the 90-day period. They know about all of that. If they say they don't, they're the ones lying to you and him, sorry.

my goodness sake! any one in the world who is on the verge of an interview as an immigrant is always visited anonymously by guys from the embassy...they are observing, asking your neighbors etc.. why write the embassy about it!

[NY_BX 397]

my goodness sake! any one in the world who is on the verge of an interview as an immigrant is always visited anonymously by guys from the embassy...they are observing, asking your neighbors etc.. why write the embassy about it!

Apparently the OP didn't know this was standard operating procedure for anyone that is suspicious of fraud and has red flags in his/her background checks.

[samy + janet aly 9]

one thing i know for sure is that my husband is divorced and i am his only wife. he is not married to anyone else. we made that clear in the beginning. no others after me and just me and him.

thru the 2 yrs before we were married it was mutual about our feeling to one another. he not like that. i had doubts in the beginning when we met but he has family here and he had to bring in one sister to help me realize he is for real. his divorce is real and has no other wife.

there you cannot have divorce papers and marriage papers in your hand. when you divorce the court takes back the marriage papers and gives you your divorce papers.

like i said the only problem that the CO had was not understanding about the IDDAT/IDDAH, 90 days of waiting. thats all.

i already spoke with someone at USCIS and they said they would not have approved our petition if they thought his divorce papers were not legal. so someone over there needs a refresher course in islamic laws...lol

i know my husband and i know him well.he is a quiet and conservative man who doesnt like any problems around him. he fears ALlah and what Allah will do to him if he makes any mistakes. so he avoids any wrong doers and stays away from troubles and problems. we always say to respect ourselves we stay home. outside the home are problems and troubles waiting to happen.

we have now almost 4 yrs of history together and trust me i know scammers when i see them and they dont wait that long...lol.

i dont worry about that..i have a good and honest man and we have a great relationship.

i have a closet full of clothes i left there and things. i took 2 suitcases when i went and i came back with one.

there is nothing bad about our lives and all is real. me and him and no one else....i know!!!!

[samy + janet aly 9]

After stumbling on to this posting, reading it, and pondering, I've come to this conclusion.

#1. American woman has to have the Permission to Marry letter from Embassy. This is for protection for the American.

NEVER is asked at embassy at this time if your soon to be husband was ever married, and if he was, there is no question of how long divorced? If so, then if a American woman was marrying a Egyptian man under this 90 days period, and he is free to take his former wife back up to 90 days, then that will make you the 2nd wife. U.S. embassy would inform you of this possibility. After all , they are looking at your best interest. There fore the 90 days waiting period would per mainly to the "former" Egyptian-Islamic wife, right? Yes!!

#2. The man's divorce decree is final with all the official stamps on it, PERIOD!!!, there fore he is divorced from the ex, ( unless he takes her back) within 90 days, then YOU are the 2nd wife then, as stated above.....

He IS legally able to marry whom ever he wants when he gets all the bells and whistles and stamps on that decree.

#3 Yes marrying so soon after a divorce is a red flag to the embassy, but there are cirstances to every case.

The embassy looks at the relationship, the length of it before the marriage occured, how many visits after the marriage, they look at the family relationship of the couple, if her and his family communicate, chat, and same with him with your family, if his family accpets the marriage, and is close to his family, his and yours, age, religion, COMMUNICATION, when I got my Permission to Marry letter , they asked "does he speak English", and my fiance' at that time, gently pushed me aside, and said as loud as he could, "YES, I speak English, and how are you today? " The lady giggled, stamped my paper, and gave us her congrats, many , many, many factors.

That is my 2 cents, and Im stickin to it........

yes ma'am you got it...i see that and it is right.

[samy + janet aly 9]

Another red flag. Yes, if you ask for a translator they should provide him one. However, he must prove he is able to communicate with you. Do you speak arabic?

I'm sorry I'm being negative. I really really really want you to cover all the loopholes so the 3rd time IS A CHARM! You know what I mean?

i see what you are saying . he speaks very good english with me. i speak some arabic but i understand 75% of all conversations...lol..arrabic is a hard language.

it is ok ..i dont mind opinions and such.

i feel what you are saying and yes need to cover all loopholes so when it goes back...he comes here. i want eveeryone to know i know my husband and how he is.