Marriage fraud victim asking for advice..

[rade2rising 205]

very sad situation seems everyone has give you good advise. follow it quickly

[RickJovi 81]

Yes, the child is mine

Whatever i just wrote is totally True. Marriages in 3rd world countries are not traceable, if they are not court registered marriages. However, there is this document, called 'Nikah Nama', that contains signatures and all details of the bride and groom.

Now i know, what to do.

Better have proof of the unregistered marriage or they can just consider it hearsay. You need proof such as the unoffical document you mentioned. Do you have a copy of it. What other proof do you have that would be recognized other than your word. Ou would need factual information as evidence, not hearsay I would believe.

If you do have evidence and they do deport her, then to my understanding if the the baby is born in the U.S., then it would be a USC you would probably retain coustody. A lawyer could help you with that for sure. Also never apply for a US passport if the baby is born here. She can't take it out of the U.S. without a passport which requires your signatre as the USC for approval. If she leaves the country to have it at home, then there probably isn't much you can do especially if she leaves it with her family and returns to the U.S. in a timely manner so they won't revoke her GC. Good Luck.

Edited April 27, 2012 by RickJovi

[Iyawo Ijebu 157]

Better have proof of the unregistered marriage or they can just consider it hearsay. You need proof such as the unoffical document you mentioned. Do you have a copy of it. What other proof do you have that would be recognized other than your word. Ou would need factual information as evidence, not hearsay I would believe.

If you do have evidence and they do deport her, then to my understanding if the the baby is born in the U.S., then it would be a USC you would probably retain coustody. A lawyer could help you with that for sure. Also never apply for a US passport if the baby is born here. She can't take it out of the U.S. without a passport which requires your signatre as the USC for approval. If she leaves the country to have it at home, then there probably isn't much you can do especially if she leaves it with her family and returns to the U.S. in a timely manner so they won't revoke her GC. Good Luck.

It's a quagmire when you think of the innocent party, the unborn child.

While I salivate on the prospect of not having to pay this alleged Jezebel any child support by just having her booted ou of the country, but then what kind of life would the child have without the benefit of growing up with both parents? Even if one of them is a lying two timer.

Children Needs Both Parents.

[RickJovi 81]

It's a quagmire when you think of the innocent party, the unborn child.

While I salivate on the prospect of not having to pay this alleged Jezebel any child support by just having her booted ou of the country, but then what kind of life would the child have without the benefit of growing up with both parents? Even if one of them is a lying two timer.

Children Needs Both Parents.

Not when fraud is involved. She defrauded him and left hm so there will not be both parents for right now and she is alleged to have been married already before the K1 to another man in her country. Big time fraud if it can be proven. If she leaves the country to have the baby and then come back without it and leaves it with her family, then he does have a leg to stand on. It would not be a USC. If he reports her for marriage fraud and has proof to give to the USCIS/ICE and she isn't deported until she gives birth to the baby, it will be a USC and will need a passport, which requires the USC to obtain it.

[Darnell 8,478]

'Nikah Nama' is an official document. Just saying. include a photocopy of it in yer evidence pile.

[Ayman___ 92]

where are these people's minds? Not only she fraud you but pregnant with your baby Get the proof and Contact ICE, USCIS, and the embassy.So sorry your going through this.What a nightmare We will be praying for you.

[rade2rising 205]

well you must forget about this woman and the revenge you wish to exact on her and instead focus on your child unless your hatred for her is more than the love for your child.

[Peter_Pan 661]

Who is to say she didnt get a divorce. From a quick search, it turns out:

Marriage in Islam is a contract with the standard elements of offer, acceptance and consideration, and not regarded as sacrosanct. It may be terminated by divorce subject to certain conditions, although Hadith state divorce should only be resorted to when there is no chance of reconciliation. Divorce may be instituted unilaterally by the husband by pronouncing talaq, "I divorce you" three times. There are many Hadiths requiring that talaq is not uttered sequentially three times but separated by a month between each utterance to provide opportunity for reconciliation. Majority of Islamic schools of jurisprudence (fiqh), do not regard a divorce as valid if this requirement is not followed, however others such as Hanafi discourage such practice but accept as binding if a triple talaq is said sequentially at one time.

it is very easy.

[rade2rising 205]

that whole thing about sayin talak 3 times meaning you are divorced is crazy. I know many muslim ppl and they laugh when i mention this.

[Peter_Pan 661]

Then how do they divorce?

Did I mention I once took part in an Islamic marriage ceremony which ended in a week with the "I divorce you" bit?

Lol, the guy was too religious to have sex outside the marriage, so he married every gf he had!

[rade2rising 205]

lol thats crazy

well i see even in movies that some muslim ppl divorce just by saying talak 3 times so i inquired from learned members from the mosque and they laugh at me. They never really answer me how exactly they divorce but its my understanding that saying talak 3 times might break the religious bond of marriage but the actual legal part should still be valid??? maybe someone will clarify the exact nature of muslim divorce

[Ayman___ 92]

It's not a legal divorce.It's only said if the husband means it and does the legal action of the words.But when he says I divorce you 3 times than it's only in front of GOD.So in GOD'S eyes your divorced.I just asked my husband about it

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Children Needs Both Parents.

No, they really don't. Children need good, loving supportive people in their life to grow into well rounded individuals. Living in a conflicted household can emotionally cripple a child and result in anger issues, self-esteem issues and all sorts of other problems.

Are you saying that by simply spawning a child that person MUST be in said child's life? Or are you saying that at least a male and female parent must be in the child's life because a biological connection does not a parent make. Also, by your logic if a parent passes away the surviving parent must IMMEDIATELY find a replacement parent because only one parent is bad for the child.

It's a complete fallacy that children raised by single parents are less well-off by only having one parent. It depends ENTIRELY on the type of parent/s and the situation the child grows up in (including school and peer group).

[jaycali 415]

well you must forget about this woman and the revenge you wish to exact on her and instead focus on your child unless your hatred for her is more than the love for your child.

Agreed to an extent. But reporting marriage fraud isn't just about "hatred" but about reporting a crime. If your wife robbed a bank, you'd still be obligated to report her if you knew.

When it's actually you that's being "robbed", I'd say even more so.

No, they really don't. Children need good, loving supportive people in their life to grow into well rounded individuals. Living in a conflicted household can emotionally cripple a child and result in anger issues, self-esteem issues and all sorts of other problems. Are you saying that by simply spawning a child that person MUST be in said child's life? Or are you saying that at least a male and female parent must be in the child's life because a biological connection does not a parent make. Also, by your logic if a parent passes away the surviving parent must IMMEDIATELY find a replacement parent because only one parent is bad for the child.It's a complete fallacy that children raised by single parents are less well-off by only having one parent. It depends ENTIRELY on the type of parent/s and the situation the child grows up in (including school and peer group).

Amen.

Edited April 27, 2012 by jaejayC

[JAMbOY 4]

I totally agree with what everyone else says, contact ICE and USCIS about the matter. These are the type of people who make it hard for actual couples who are really in love and want to be together.