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Zimmerman has yet to offer an explanation how a kid holding a large bottle of ice tea and a bag of skittles was able to sucker punch someone. True, Trayvon could’ve held both in one hand, but that’s pretty awkward, makes it hard to get much weight behind the punch.

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i guess the author never considered he dropped one?

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:rolleyes:

i guess the author never considered he dropped one?

And then when Zimmerman bent down to pick it up for him, the kid crashed his knee into the face of a man that outweighed him by 100#'s and jumped on his chest when Zimmerman ended up on his back. Yeah, I could see that. :blink:

I can't wait to read the autopsy. That should enlighten everybody on what happened, like skin or fibers under the fingernails, contusions showing where contact was made with Zimmerman, stomach contents and toxicology to rule out any substance abuse.

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i guess the author never considered he dropped one?

You read that entire timeline and that's your response? :unsure:

If you did read it, you would have caught her stating this part:

For purposes of establishing how far and in which direction the fight may have migrated during the course of the encounter, it would be interesting to know where Trayvon’s headset was found (as well as the skittles and iced tea bottle!), but so far I have not seen any reliable reports about its location.

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Zimmerman has yet to offer an explanation how a kid holding a large bottle of ice tea and a bag of skittles was able to sucker punch someone. True, Trayvon could’ve held both in one hand, but that’s pretty awkward, makes it hard to get much weight behind the punch.

She's questioning the likelihood of being able to drop, throw or put down the bottle to sucker punch Zimmerman. If you're standing there in a confrontation and the other person who is carrying a drink and candy in their hands, throws, drops or places them down, what do you think they plan to do next?

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I'm the author of the linked blog post. Just wanted to note that while it's possible Trayvon dropped the candy and tea prior to the confrontation with Zimmerman, there's enough evidence against the possibility that I didn't spend much time discussing it.

Most importantly, we know that no one has reported Zimmerman as claiming that Trayvon dropped any items immediately before the fight. It's a safe guess that he didn't see anything like that or else he'd have mentioned it pretty prominently -- as someone else mentioned, seeing someone throw down the objects in their hands is a pretty blatant sign of aggression.

So the other options are that Trayvon dropped the snacks prior to re-encountering Zimmerman, or that he was holding them in a pocket or bag or his hands. The first possibility can probably be ruled out because the police seem to have known about the skittles bag and the Arizona Iced Tea very soon into the investigation, such as it was. If Trayvon had dropped them off in secret somewhere else, it's doubtful that the police would have known that some random snack food they found stashed in the housing complex had belonged to him.

So, most likely, Trayvon still had them on his person. It explains how the cops knew about them right away. We still don't know exactly where they were, but, to me, carrying about snacks in any fashion is entirely inconsistent with a plan to pounce out of the dark and punch someone in the nose. Arizona Iced Tea bottles are pretty hefty -- even if it's in a hoodie pocket, it's going to be lurching about awkwardly there.

Plus the kid walked a mile to get the damned snacks. Is he really going to just abandon them when he's finally back in the housing complex, just because he had a sudden whim to run up and punch someone?

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From reading this post, if I assume this is close to the resemblance of truth, I think two things: First the shooter was trying to act in a Law enforcing Manner without being in law enforcement ( That by itself indicates a problem ) second a 17 year old is most likly not going to cower down to a non law enforcement individual, hence a confrontation. If anything, the shooter acting in a psuedo law enforcment manner aggravted this and then became panicked when the situation escalated, which he himslef may have been responsible for. In any case, the shooting does not appear justified as a claim of self defense.

while we may think there could be a political motivation to arrest the shooter, usually the police are fairly accurate when presenting evidence to a prosecutor. Yes Police Lie, witness,s lie and of course defendants lie.

But following somebody, attemtping to detain them for no cause especially in a non law enforcement capacity in my mind does not bode well for the defense. I am thinking manslaughter might stick.

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I am thinking manslaughter might stick.

Problem is, he's not been charged with manslaughter. That being the case, he can't be convicted of manslaughter. Unless the charges are amended at some point to include the lesser charge or unless they end up pleading this thing down to the lesser charge, he'll either be convicted of 2nd degree murder or he'll be acquitted.

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From reading this post, if I assume this is close to the resemblance of truth, I think two things: First the shooter was trying to act in a Law enforcing Manner without being in law enforcement ( That by itself indicates a problem ) second a 17 year old is most likly not going to cower down to a non law enforcement individual, hence a confrontation. If anything, the shooter acting in a psuedo law enforcment manner aggravted this and then became panicked when the situation escalated, which he himslef may have been responsible for. In any case, the shooting does not appear justified as a claim of self defense.

while we may think there could be a political motivation to arrest the shooter, usually the police are fairly accurate when presenting evidence to a prosecutor. Yes Police Lie, witness,s lie and of course defendants lie.

But following somebody, attemtping to detain them for no cause especially in a non law enforcement capacity in my mind does not bode well for the defense. I am thinking manslaughter might stick.

Where has it been said he attemped to detain or did detain? Many people have kept an eye on a person in the past. Where in the law does it say you cannot look at someone.

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Problem is, he's not been charged with manslaughter. That being the case, he can't be convicted of manslaughter. Unless the charges are amended at some point to include the lesser charge or unless they end up pleading this thing down to the lesser charge, he'll either be convicted of 2nd degree murder or he'll be acquitted.

This is not the case. Manslaughter is a lesser included charge of Murder 2 -- the jury has the option of convicting under either.

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Problem is, he's not been charged with manslaughter. That being the case, he can't be convicted of manslaughter. Unless the charges are amended at some point to include the lesser charge or unless they end up pleading this thing down to the lesser charge, he'll either be convicted of 2nd degree murder or he'll be acquitted.

I don't know about Florida law but it is possible under some systems for jurors to find defendants guilty of an offense categorized as 'lesser included' which if FL law reads like that may not disallow a jury finding guilt for manslaghter but not 2nd degree murder.

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Problem is, he's not been charged with manslaughter. That being the case, he can't be convicted of manslaughter. Unless the charges are amended at some point to include the lesser charge or unless they end up pleading this thing down to the lesser charge, he'll either be convicted of 2nd degree murder or he'll be acquitted.

Not true. All lesser charges are included with a charge of murder in the second degree. The prosecutor could exclude all the lesser charges, but that would be foolish in this case, as this should be a slam-dunk, once they get past the immunity hearing.

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Trayvon probably left his skittles in the hoodie that he disposed of before the fight, One of the 911 callers described the guy on top as wearing a white t-shirt.

"Ok you got it" is what someone would say when they just lost the struggle to control the gun.

He would have said that as a form of surrender just before he got shot.

The guy on the bottom may not have taken the time to process the message before pulling the trigger.

I think it was his last words, not the last words after he was shot.

I think the voice recognition people have given themselves a big black eye this time.

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I think this blog post was possibly made before the police pictures came out of the blood on Zimmerman's head. The video quality from the police surveillance is poor and difficult to tell the details from the distance. I work with the raw video and the video equipment so we have ways to zoom in and look at things. It doesn't improve the quality but you can see the blood on the back of his head with a closer look through the equipment. I think that will be a weak point in the prosecutions argument trying to disprove Zimmerman's head was being bashed. The recent police photos show he sustained those wounds that go along with what he said happened.

Also this could just be me but when this whole story started gaining momentum I had a difficult time buying that it was about racism or stereotyping. Zimmerman looks Hispanic but the black folks in the community said he was white because one of his parents is white. Sorry but Obama looks black to me even though his Mom is white. I guess that's not the point though. It's about Martin being stereotyped as a hoodlum for wearing a hoodie, at night, in the dark, outside, alone, in an area and time of night where they've had problems with people stealing before. Zimmerman as neighborhood watch had justifiable reason to be suspicious. However, Zimmerman shouldn't have ignored the dispatch advise to not follow the suspicious person. He should have left it up to the police to follow through from there. To me that's where it gets vigilante.

In my mind Zimmerman's perspective was to protect the neighborhood and people he loved and cared about. Martin's perspective is to get a snack and he was probably freaked out as to why the creeper was following him. Then the confrontation and struggle ensued and we'll probably never know what really happened.

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The element of racism in the case is less about Zimmerman's motivations -- it's likely present there, in that his snap judgement that Trayvon was somehow a "threat" was based on him being young and male and black. But one individual's racism is not hugely significant; there are racist people out there, that's not exactly a shocking revelation.

But racism becomes a more serious issue when looking at the Sanford government's handling of the case. Whether or not individuals in the population are racist, people should be able to expect that, at a bare minimum, government agencies will give a thorough and race neutral review of any murder in the community. By all available accounts, people high up in the chain of command of both the DA's office and the police department were scarily willing to cut Zimmerman loose after hardly any consideration at all. And although we can't know for absolute certain, it's hard to believe that, had Trayvon Martin been some white or asian teenager, and had Zimmerman been a black dude, the police sure has heck would have been giving the murder of a neighborhood kid much closer scrutiny.

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