Judge Sets Bail at $150,000 for Shooter in Trayvon Martin Case

[SMOKE 1,426]

i woulda went with cockroach. but, eric is back. so, good call.

[james&olya 1,121]

I was taught as a child and all my life that give in to criminals and injustice is the biggest sin of all. Good for you that you can bury your head and pretend that everything will be fine. For me & people like me just because there will be racist bigots, media & politicians does not mean I have to live with it and accept it.

No one here is still talking about 'Black Panthers' and the over-reacting racist bigots. Is one Zimmerman powerful enough to shake their foundation? Or are they just so idle that there is nothing else in their lives to make them more purposeful?

I say again - Zimmerman will get whah he deserves from the right authorities, How many of us here are willing to discuss the bigger problem that every race has to be equally accountable for what they do. Slavery is over LONG TIME AGO AND NOT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO A BLACK IS RACISM.

Stating that it is every 'race' that must take responsibility for its actions would pretty much make you a 'racist'! I do not believe I am responsible for what every other white person does. One is responsible for ones own actions! Trayvon was NOT guilty because he was black!!!

[james&olya 1,121]

so until the jury has decided, it is acceptable for you to guess, use figures of speech that are questionable (as you stated, the jury has yet to decide), designed to inflame and stir the masses into a guilty until proven innocent frenzy.

lets see so far we have:

people "hunting and offering a reward bounty" for Z

people posting a home address for Z

media running amok with yellow journalism

media publishing blatant lies

arm-chair jurors of all types expounding Z guilty and T as an absolute angel

at this point in time in regards to media publications for this case, the media can from today forward publish 100% facts without so much as a shred of bias or slant and they will still not be able to redeem themselves as remotely trustworthy.

what happened to good old fashioned honesty in reporting and discussion.

simply put ... there was an unfortunate altercation that needed to be brought to light.. we don't know how it went down and by george we are gonna get to the bottom of this by using the judicial system.

M did have a legal right to return to his domicile. did he have an avenue of exit? the map indicates a possibility. I don't know and can't state for fact because i wasn't there.

stand your ground can be a good concept when tempered with maturity and situational awareness. there are times it's easiest (and best) to simply leave and fight another day instead of pushing a bad or unknown situation. i do wonder if T had the opportunity to simply leave the confrontation.

meanwhile ... the wheels of the judicial system are churning and i will wait to see what transpires.

Why do you expect the underage participant with no criminal history to be the one expected to be mature and have the responsibility to retreat? Why isn't Zimmerman given some responsibility? Because he was interacting with a black?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Why do you expect the underage participant with no criminal history to be the one expected to be mature and have the responsibility to retreat? Why isn't Zimmerman given some responsibility? Because he was interacting with a black?

I think you jumped to a lot of conclusions there. Natty was simply pointing out that Martin had an option of leaving the scene since Zimmerman is not police and cannot detain.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I think you jumped to a lot of conclusions there. Natty was simply pointing out that Martin had an option of leaving the scene since Zimmerman is not police and cannot detain.

Unless, of course, Zimmerman caught up with the child, and Martin acted in a defensive manner, getting in a lucky strike. Remembering Zimmerman's history in confronting people ("he was usually a nice guy, but it was like a switch gets flipped and he goes all psycho"), then Zimmerman pulled the gun and shot the child.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Unless, of course, Zimmerman caught up with the child, and Martin acted in a defensive manner, getting in a lucky strike. Remembering Zimmerman's history in confronting people ("he was usually a nice guy, but it was like a switch gets flipped and he goes all psycho"), then Zimmerman pulled the gun and shot the child.

Sure that may have happened. (Not sure I would call a 17 year old a child btw. I typically use that term for some one who has not reached puberty ~13. That being said, I noticed the UN tends to define anyone under 18 as a child.)

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Unless, of course, Zimmerman caught up with the child, and Martin acted in a defensive manner, getting in a lucky strike. Remembering Zimmerman's history in confronting people ("he was usually a nice guy, but it was like a switch gets flipped and he goes all psycho"), then Zimmerman pulled the gun and shot the child.

Your anger against Zimmerman is quite amusing. You'd almost think you knew the guy and had a vendetta.

Fact: A 17-year old troubled teen/young adult is now dead.

Fact: A paranoid and fed-up with increasing crime neighborhood watchman followed the kid, allegedly lost him and started going back to his vehicle.

Fact: In one form or another Martin struck Zimmerman multiple times and there was an altercation between the two.

Fact: Zimmerman shoots Martin, allgedly in self-defense.

That's all we know for sure. Anything else is guesswork and putting the pieces together.

[natty bumppo 297]

Why do you expect the underage participant with no criminal history to be the one expected to be mature and have the responsibility to retreat? Why isn't Zimmerman given some responsibility? Because he was interacting with a black?

a person does not gain maturity simply because they have traveled more cycles (or a pre-determined number of cycles) around a chronometer. some people gain maturity at an early age ... and some never do ...

either person could have decided it was not a good encounter and left the area. something went very wrong. i don't know what happened. the judge/jury will hear the case and decide.

[james&olya 1,121]

a person does not gain maturity simply because they have traveled more cycles (or a pre-determined number of cycles) around a chronometer. some people gain maturity at an early age ... and some never do ...

either person could have decided it was not a good encounter and left the area. something went very wrong. i don't know what happened. the judge/jury will hear the case and decide.

The right to carry a gun demands maturity and responsibility! Or is it now the NRA position that anyone regardless of age or maturity level should be 'packing'?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The right to carry a gun demands maturity and responsibility! Or is it now the NRA position that anyone regardless of age or maturity level should be 'packing'?

They do. US law generally requires a person to be 21 to purchase and carry a handgun. Again, I'm not sure how your question relates to Natty's statement.

[natty bumppo 297]

The right to carry a gun demands maturity and responsibility! Or is it now the NRA position that anyone regardless of age or maturity level should be 'packing'?

there has been lots of "emotion" with harsh words said without thought of due process or what is "mature rational level headed thought" by many in regards to the Z&T confrontation. this show of emotion without thinking through actions, laws, or even being at the scene as it went down is an indication of persons not in control of their thoughts, words, or deeds. there is no real logic or respect for the law. it could be stated there are a lot of people lacking in basic common sense maturity.

if maturity is required to enjoy a right ... how do you legislate maturity? test for it? prove it for 100% in effect throughout a persons life?

so if you wish one right is to be governed by a requirement of maturity, then is it a right? what other rights do you feel should have the requirement of maturity?

freedom of speech?

prohibit forced quartering of soldiers?

unreasonable search and seizures?

right to a fair and speedy public trial by jury (after watching many comments regarding Z ... many persons appear more than willing to forgo this one ..)

prohibit excessive fines and bail

etc

.....

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The right to carry a gun demands maturity and responsibility! Or is it now the NRA position that anyone regardless of age or maturity level should be 'packing'?

The 2nd Amendment the last time I checked doesn't demand either of those things. It's a fundamental right regardless of stipulations some may or may not want to place upon it.

Imagine - "you have no free speech unless you are 25, have a job, and are married, and have no mental defects as determined by society."

I'm sure that would go over very well.

[james&olya 1,121]

there has been lots of "emotion" with harsh words said without thought of due process or what is "mature rational level headed thought" by many in regards to the Z&T confrontation. this show of emotion without thinking through actions, laws, or even being at the scene as it went down is an indication of persons not in control of their thoughts, words, or deeds. there is no real logic or respect for the law. it could be stated there are a lot of people lacking in basic common sense maturity.

if maturity is required to enjoy a right ... how do you legislate maturity? test for it? prove it for 100% in effect throughout a persons life?

so if you wish one right is to be governed by a requirement of maturity, then is it a right? what other rights do you feel should have the requirement of maturity?

freedom of speech?

prohibit forced quartering of soldiers?

unreasonable search and seizures?

right to a fair and speedy public trial by jury (after watching many comments regarding Z ... many persons appear more than willing to forgo this one ..)

prohibit excessive fines and bail

etc

.....

Zimmerman is a legal adult and chose to exercise his right to carry a gun. He then used it to kill a teenager in a confrontation that he(Zimmerman) started. Some on here question why Trayvon did not try harder to flee from this aggressor! I point out that when one exercises his right to carry a gun he must by necessity accept the responsibility that accompanies exercise of this right! Trayvon was not a legal adult and would not have the legal right to be carrying a gun to defend himself. For multiple reasons the burden falls on Zimmerman to be the one to show restraint! He failed in this obligation and now fully deserves the trial for and possible punishment that comes for 2nd degree murder! He took a life without reasonable cause.

Rights and responsibilities must be taken together!

Edited April 23, 2012 by james&olya

[mari&Ryan 93]

The right to carry a gun demands maturity and responsibility! Or is it now the NRA position that anyone regardless of age or maturity level should be 'packing'?

Don't know about the guns thing BUT don't it demands maturity and responsibility to go out and hit the road? because our states governments give Driver licenses to underage teens as younger as 16 which is younger than 17 . How come a "child" is allow to own and use a thousand pounds potential deadly weapon in the street among us all every day? Wouldn't be this that the government consider that those "Kids" are mature and responsable enough to do it and also that they are capable of taking seconds death life decisions. Give me a break.

Ah in some states "kids" as younger as 16 are allow to get married and have babies too. Doesn't the marriage and parenting requieres maturity and responsibility? Geez!

Edited April 23, 2012 by mari&Ryan

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Don't know about the guns thing BUT don't it demands maturity and responsibility to go out and hit the road? because our states governments give Driver licenses to underage teens as younger as 16 which is younger than 17 . How come a "child" is allow to own and use a thousand pounds potential deadly weapon in the street among us all every day? Wouldn't be this that the government consider that those "Kids" are mature and responsable enough to do it and also that they are capable of taking seconds death life decisions. Give me a break.

Ah in some states "kids" as younger as 16 are allow to get married and have babies too. Doesn't the marriage and parenting requieres maturity and responsibility? Geez!

Not only that, in some states you can get what's called a "Hardship" license at the age of 14. It restricts you from driving to and from work and/or school, but still. A 14 year old with a license to operate a deadly weapon?