Nightmare of an Interview @ Mumbai 4/19

[sachinky 465]

I am a new member but I am not exactly new to VisaJourney. I have relied on this website extensively during my immigration process but never registered..until now. I felt the need to register after reading sachinky's comments regarding SunDancer's situation. I could be wrong but I get the impression that sachinky has a bit of "I am better than others" attitude. Her thinly veiled judgmental comments about SunDancer's relationship and her statement about how the CO granted her a visa in less than three minutes are just two examples. When I applied for a visa several years ago it was granted very easily and quickly. I did have a strong case, but two others I knew were denied at the same consulate, despite the fact they also had strong evidence. The point is that it is not always possible to explain (much less explain away) the CO's decisions simplistically. Nor should one try to. Sundancer felt that justice was not served in her case, and she approached this site seeking suggestions. I have no idea whether justice was served or not. But the best I can do is to offer her helpful suggestions, if I have any. If there is nothing helpful to say, I should at least have the courtesy to stay quiet. This is not meant as an attack on sachink. Not at all. Perhaps she is too young and needs help in terms of social skills.

Well, I am glad that my posts finally convinced you to delurk. Let's call that my good deed for the day. I also thank you for your concern regarding my social skills. Here's the kicker. I didn't join VJ to display my social skills or make friends. I have enough of those in real life. The comment I made earlier, that my interview took less than three minutes wasn't bragging on my part, merely a fact. I know plenty of people whose interviews were a breeze, too. Others who had a torrid time and were humiliated and berated for hours. My point was rather simple: all cases are unique and that, your mileage may vary. A huge factor that led to a relatively uncomplicated immigration journey was the enormous amount help and wonderful advice I got on this site. And the best help came from some fantastic veteran members who gave sharp, precise advice. No BS, no fuzzy-wuzziness -- just straight-talking. That's what I try to emulate. Because sometimes people need to hear things that they don't particularly want to hear. Nothing chaps my hide more than these "supportive" comments that are nothing but empty platitudes and offers nothing more than false hope. Contact your ambassador. Is that the US ambassador to India? The Indian ambassador to the US? Anyway, what on earth is an ambassador going to do?

Not once did the OP in her opening post ask for help or suggestions. I can't find a single sentence where she says that. I don't see an instance of "what do I do now?" All I see is a lot of blustering and blithering about how horrible those people were, how they yelled at her fiance, how she's going to contact her Congressman, yada yada yada, and something about panties and how she's not going to take this lying down. Not once in her opening paragraph does she show any (implicit) acknowledgement that perhaps, her case is full of several holes and for a high-fraud consulate, this outcome (denial) was not surprising. The treatment of the beneficiary (which I am not saying I agree with) was frankly, pretty much in keeping with the norm and similar to what I witnessed when seated at the embassy for three hours. This is how I see it, you are under no compulsion to remain in the embassy and be yelled at for eight hours. You're not being kept there against your will, ergo, you're free to leave at your convenience. Till date, I haven't attacked her personally or anyone else on this site (although, I tell ya, it's getting hard trying to remain polite). I suggest you re-read her opening paragraph and feel free to correct me if my comprehension skills are lacking.

In the meantime, have a nice night.

Edited May 1, 2012 by sachinky

[sachinky 465]

"Intelligent and literate?" - certainly. "Wise beyond her years?" I am not sure! I am sure she is thoughtful, but not in the most prudent fashion. She has a proclivity to articulate (and publish) every thought that occurs to her, whether it has any value or not.

As a person of similar intelligence, I am sure you will be able to find the "ignore user" button on your own? Might I recommend it?

[Boiler 45,730]

Harsh had his interview in Mumbai and needless to say it did not go well at all, Harsh said there was 2 male officers one a US officer and also an Indian officer and they grilled him for several hours about the age difference and they kept asking him how much he paid me to file the K-1 Visa just so he can come to the US!!! Harsh said they even showed him my face book account and said see she has lots of male friends and she could be your mother!! He said they were both yelling at him one in English and the other in Gujarati and kept insisting that he paid me to file for a K-1 Visa. Oh and here is the kicker they told him I was married before.I have never been married and Harsh told them that but they said she has a daughter, Harsh said yes I know but she has never been married before. They then said she has a security number so we know everything about her and she was married before!!! I called our Immigration attorney and also I spoke with my Senator, my senator assigned me one of her immigration aides and I spoke with him today and he already emailed the consulate. Harsh is going to fax me copies of all the papers they gave him he said they gave him a 221g and told him someone would contact him, then they also told him that they know he paid me and he probably will be banned from the US. I know for a fact that Harsh has never given me any money I have covered the cost of the entire K-1 process including his medical fees.It has been a very emotional day for both of us with lots of crying, but now more than anything I am mad as hell that they treated Harsh like he was a criminal when we have done nothing wrong but love each other and only want to be together. I hope those 2 officers have their big boy panties on because they are in for a fight. We will not take this lying down.

Yep, read for yourselves.

[Iyawo Ijebu 157]

Well, I am glad that my posts finally convinced you to delurk. Let's call that my good deed for the day. I also thank you for your concern regarding my social skills. Here's the kicker. I didn't join VJ to display my social skills or make friends. I have enough of those in real life. The comment I made earlier, that my interview took less than three minutes wasn't bragging on my part, merely a fact. I know plenty of people whose interviews were a breeze, too. Others who had a torrid time and were humiliated and berated for hours. My point was rather simple: all cases are unique and that, your mileage may vary. A huge factor that led to a relatively uncomplicated immigration journey was the enormous amount help and wonderful advice I got on this site. And the best help came from some fantastic veteran members who gave sharp, precise advice. No BS, no fuzzy-wuzziness -- just straight-talking. That's what I try to emulate. Because sometimes people need to hear things that they don't particularly want to hear. Nothing chaps my hide more than these "supportive" comments that are nothing but empty platitudes and offers nothing more than false hope. Contact your ambassador. Is that the US ambassador to India? The Indian ambassador to the US? Anyway, what on earth is an ambassador going to do?

Not once did the OP in her opening post ask for help or suggestions. I can't find a single sentence where she says that. I don't see an instance of "what do I do now?" All I see is a lot of blustering and blithering about how horrible those people were, how they yelled at her fiance, how she's going to contact her Congressman, yada yada yada, and something about panties and how she's not going to take this lying down. Not once in her opening paragraph does she show any (implicit) acknowledgement that perhaps, her case is full of several holes and for a high-fraud consulate, this outcome (denial) was not surprising. The treatment of the beneficiary (which I am not saying I agree with) was frankly, pretty much in keeping with the norm and similar to what I witnessed when seated at the embassy for three hours. This is how I see it, you are under no compulsion to remain in the embassy and be yelled at for eight hours. You're not being kept there against your will, ergo, you're free to leave at your convenience. Till date, I haven't attacked her personally or anyone else on this site (although, I tell ya, it's getting hard trying to remain polite). I suggest you re-read her opening paragraph and feel free to correct me if my comprehension skills are lacking.

In the meantime, have a nice night.

I appreciate that personally.

[Iyawo Ijebu 157]

As a person of similar intelligence, I am sure you will be able to find the "ignore user" button on your own? Might I recommend it?

Well said BUT I bet you it's the "report user" function that's going to be (mis)used.

Edited May 1, 2012 by Iyawo Ijebu

[sachinky 465]

I appreciate that personally.

Thank-you and best of luck on your visa-journey. I'm sending good vibes that you and your fiance are reunited by Christmas Eve!

[cnm2001 3]

Well, I am glad that my posts finally convinced you to delurk. Let's call that my good deed for the day. I also thank you for your concern regarding my social skills. Here's the kicker. I didn't join VJ to display my social skills or make friends. I have enough of those in real life. The comment I made earlier, that my interview took less than three minutes wasn't bragging on my part, merely a fact. I know plenty of people whose interviews were a breeze, too. Others who had a torrid time and were humiliated and berated for hours. My point was rather simple: all cases are unique and that, your mileage may vary. A huge factor that led to a relatively uncomplicated immigration journey was the enormous amount help and wonderful advice I got on this site. And the best help came from some fantastic veteran members who gave sharp, precise advice. No BS, no fuzzy-wuzziness -- just straight-talking. That's what I try to emulate. Because sometimes people need to hear things that they don't particularly want to hear. Nothing chaps my hide more than these "supportive" comments that are nothing but empty platitudes and offers nothing more than false hope. Contact your ambassador. Is that the US ambassador to India? The Indian ambassador to the US? Anyway, what on earth is an ambassador going to do?

Not once did the OP in her opening post ask for help or suggestions. I can't find a single sentence where she says that. I don't see an instance of "what do I do now?" All I see is a lot of blustering and blithering about how horrible those people were, how they yelled at her fiance, how she's going to contact her Congressman, yada yada yada, and something about panties and how she's not going to take this lying down. Not once in her opening paragraph does she show any (implicit) acknowledgement that perhaps, her case is full of several holes and for a high-fraud consulate, this outcome (denial) was not surprising. The treatment of the beneficiary (which I am not saying I agree with) was frankly, pretty much in keeping with the norm and similar to what I witnessed when seated at the embassy for three hours. This is how I see it, you are under no compulsion to remain in the embassy and be yelled at for eight hours. You're not being kept there against your will, ergo, you're free to leave at your convenience. Till date, I haven't attacked her personally or anyone else on this site (although, I tell ya, it's getting hard trying to remain polite). I suggest you re-read her opening paragraph and feel free to correct me if my comprehension skills are lacking.

In the meantime, have a nice night.

You say "Not once did the OP in her opening post ask for help or suggestions. I can't find a single sentence where she says that."

If you didn't think she asked for suggestions, why did you feel the need to respond? I am sure you could have ignored her post. Were you upset that she was complaining about the CO?

No one comes to VJ to display social skills, but any interaction, even a faceless one like this, calls for respect for others.

I wish you also a nice night. As I said, none of this intended to be harsh on you. Just a suggestion that everyone deserves respect.

Edited May 1, 2012 by cnm2001

[Boiler 45,730]

People participate for a variety of reasons.

People post for a variety of reasons.

What is wrong with that?

[cnm2001 3]

And if you knew anything about India or Indian societal norms you would know that a child from a previous "relationship" would be considered much "worse" than a child from a previous "marriage." At least, when it comes to consulate officers who are well aware of prevalent cultural attitudes in India and how an average 24 year old Indian male's parents are likely to feel about these circumstances.

I am from India, and I can say that there is nothing monolithic about "Indian societal norms." The societal norms are as varied as the subcultures themselves, and there are hundreds of subcultures.

[Boiler 45,730]

So in which subculture is this normal.

[Iyawo Ijebu 157]

So in which subculture is this normal.

I await the answer with bated breadth.

[cnm2001 3]

So in which subculture is this normal.

It is not "normal" in the sense that it happens on a regular basis, but it is not unprecedented.

[Iyawo Ijebu 157]

It is not "normal" in the sense that it happens on a regular basis, but it is not unprecedented.

Enough not to cause a read flag?

Don't let's forget whose opinion matters more here, and I believe that the CO stated it though I may have to go back and reread it.

[cnm2001 3]

I await the answer with bated breadth.

My point was that in a country of more than a billion people, folks marry in all sorts of ways. It is simplistic to talk about "Indian societal norms."

[Boiler 45,730]

Population of India is c 1,170,938,000

So what sub culture is this normal and what sort of percentage would such cases make?

10% plus

5% plus

....1% plus...