Zimmerman Attorneys Whining About a Fair Trial

[Laser1 63]

The problem I see with Zimmerman's actions is that he improperly escalated the fight, deliberately killing Martin as a response to getting hit. That is not a normal or necessary response in a fistfight, and that is why he is getting charged. He will get a fair trial, but I don't think he will catch any breaks. I doubt the "Stand Your Ground" defense will work for him.

Edited April 17, 2012 by Laser1

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

part of the problem i guess is that trayvon martin was a kid. a 17 year old kid. they're impulsive, and behave like kids. at 17, he was probably just young and impulsive enough to approach the creep following him, and would attempt to "stand his ground" as a young almost adult. he probably thought of himself as too old to run away screaming and yelling like you could train a 10 yr old to do . trayvon martin gets a lot of leeway-he was a kid. it's upsetting that so many people seem to forget that, but want to give an almost 30 yr old man a pass. as an adult, with a gun, pursuing a stranger, it seems like he took no consideration whatsoever for how his actions could be perceived by the person he was pursuing, or if he even considered at all whether trayvon martin could have a legitimate reason to be in the neighborhood walking down the street. so many of his adult responsibilities seemed to just fly out the window when you look at zimmerman's actions, and i just don't understand the free pass so many want to give him for that. it doesn't matter if zimmerman had no idea trayvon martin was a kid. it doesn't change the fact that martin still was.

I get what you are saying, and I'm not saying Zimmerman should get a pass. However, while you or person x may see his behavior as a neighborhood watchmen inappropriate, its not necessarily illegal and it doesn't make him guilty either.

Edited April 17, 2012 by Sousuke

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Although I think Zimmerman didn't handle it in the correct manor, he did nothing to break the law. The only reason this has gone as far as it has is because of some twisted news reporting that's now come to light and these four people down below.

[mari&Ryan 93]

part of the problem i guess is that trayvon martin was a kid. a 17 year old kid. they're impulsive, and behave like kids. at 17, he was probably just young and impulsive enough to approach the creep following him, and would attempt to "stand his ground" as a young almost adult. he probably thought of himself as too old to run away screaming and yelling like you could train a 10 yr old to do . trayvon martin gets a lot of leeway-he was a kid. it's upsetting that so many people seem to forget that, but want to give an almost 30 yr old man a pass. as an adult, with a gun, pursuing a stranger, it seems like he took no consideration whatsoever for how his actions could be perceived by the person he was pursuing, or if he even considered at all whether trayvon martin could have a legitimate reason to be in the neighborhood walking down the street. so many of his adult responsibilities seemed to just fly out the window when you look at zimmerman's actions, and i just don't understand the free pass so many want to give him for that. it doesn't matter if zimmerman had no idea trayvon martin was a kid. it doesn't change the fact that martin still was.

It's only true and relevant when the underage is the victim. Tragically, here in the U.S. since a few years we have seen many heinous crimes committed by underage as younger as 15 years old sometimes younger. So you have mass murders in schools, gang/drug relate homicides in many neighborhoods where the perpetrators have been minors but they are tried as adults. So, it's not always certain that a kid is still a kid and nothing else can change that fact. Disgracefully, we are living in a world where kids are capable of committing horrible murders. I keep that on mind because i do not want to get killed.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Reported. Next time keep to the topic.

It's only true and relevant when the underage is the victim. Tragically, here in the U.S. since a few years we have seen many heinous crimes committed by underage as younger as 15 years old sometimes younger. So you have mass murders in schools, gang/drug relate homicides in many neighborhoods where the perpetrators have been minors but they are tried as adults. So, it's not always certain that a kid is still a kid and nothing else can change that fact. Disgracefully, we are living in a world where kids are capable of committing horrible murders. I keep that on mind because i do not want to get killed.

Edited April 17, 2012 by Kathryn41
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[Kathryn41 3,205]

A number of inappropriate comments containing insults and personal attacks have been removed. You can disagree with what someone has to say but you do not have the right to go after them personally

[웃 910]

[MyLittlePony 340]

Teach other kids in the hood not to mess with a Zimmerman.

[Petition2252 7]

Why is Obama on Zimmerman's side?

Zimmerman needs to use the Chicago defense:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/SBM82Ju2kJU

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm not saying that Zimmerman didn't do a lot to create the problem. But I would think the only time there was a criminal issue is when there was a physical altercation. Without knowing how that started, if Zimmerman claims self-defense, I don't see any way to prove he's lying.

How could the law be changed to prevent the problem? Everybody was within their rights until the fighting started. Walking in a neighborhood, talking to people in the neighborhood; these are legal.

I really don't see how changing the law could have prevented this.

Actually, I think or at least hope that the prosecution can show inconsistencies in Zimmerman's testimony, otherwise they have little else to go on. They can use the evidence they've gathered to see if Zimmerman's claim that Martin approached him as he got out of his vehicle has any probability, yet Martin's body was around the back of one of the condos, out of line-of-sight from Zimmerman's SUV. Zimmerman claimed he yelled for help, but according to two voice analysis experts, it's not Zimmerman who is yelling for help. Martin's gf, who was on the phone with him all the way to point where she heard the gunshot, states that Martin started walking fast to get away from Zimmerman and Zimmerman cornered Martin. Now cornered doesn't have to literally mean Martin was in a corner, but that he had no reasonable way to escape from Zimmerman. That's when, according to the gf, Martin turned and faced Zimmerman, asking him what his problem was? Zimmerman, instead of stating that he was on neighborhood watch, only replied with his own question, "What are you doing here?"

The outcome of the trial, IMO, will be on whether the jurors are to believe Zimmerman's statements over the conflicting evidence from other sources.

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As to how to prevent this - I don't think it should be legal for someone carrying a gun to pursue someone, with the exception if they personally witnessed that person commit a capital crime. It should be illegal for ordinary citizens to impersonate a police officer, whether physically or in their behavior. I support anyone who wants to carry a gun for personal protection, but not in the capacity of assuming any type of law enforcement, including neighborhood watches. Neighborhood Watches have been very successful in bringing down crime rates, but they do that as being extra eyes and ears for the cops, not an extra arm of lethal force. If the language in existing 'Stand Your Ground' laws were to include such exceptions, I'd be in support of them.

Edited April 18, 2012 by Mister Fancypants

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Although I think Zimmerman didn't handle it in the correct manor, he did nothing to break the law. The only reason this has gone as far as it has is because of some twisted news reporting that's now come to light and these four people down below.

What connects those four?

[lostinblue 1,989]

Actually, I think or at least hope that the prosecution can show inconsistencies in Zimmerman's testimony, otherwise they have little else to go on. They can use the evidence they've gathered to see if Zimmerman's claim that Martin approached him as he got out of his vehicle has any probability, yet Martin's body was around the back of one of the condos, out of line-of-sight from Zimmerman's SUV. Zimmerman claimed he yelled for help, but according to two voice analysis experts, it's not Zimmerman who is yelling for help. Martin's gf, who was on the phone with him all the way to point where she heard the gunshot, states that Martin started walking fast to get away from Zimmerman and Zimmerman cornered Martin. Now cornered doesn't have to literally mean Martin was in a corner, but that he had no reasonable way to escape from Zimmerman. That's when, according to the gf, Martin turned and faced Zimmerman, asking him what his problem was? Zimmerman, instead of stating that he was on neighborhood watch, only replied with his own question, "What are you doing here?"

The outcome of the trial, IMO, will be on whether the jurors are to believe Zimmerman's statements over the conflicting evidence from other sources.

............

As to how to prevent this - I don't think it should be legal for someone carrying a gun to pursue someone, with the exception if they personally witnessed that person commit a capital crime. It should be illegal for ordinary citizens to impersonate a police officer, whether physically or in their behavior. I support anyone who wants to carry a gun for personal protection, but not in the capacity of assuming any type of law enforcement, including neighborhood watches. Neighborhood Watches have been very successful in bringing down crime rates, but they do that as being extra eyes and ears for the cops, not an extra arm of lethal force. If the language in existing 'Stand Your Ground' laws were to include such exceptions, I'd be in support of them.

You spin a good tale The facts be dammed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What connects those four?

Missing this part of the picture?

Violence and race: a two-way street

By LZ Granderson, CNN Contributor

LZ Granderson

(CNN) -- Within the next day or two we could hear from the special prosecutor's office about her decision on whether to charge George Zimmerman.

Regardless of what she says, chances are a lot of people are not going to be happy with the decision. It's an emotional story with many layers that will likely end with more questions than answers, and more division than unity along racial lines.

I know when I heard about Trayvon Martin's killing, the story immediately touched my heart because I could see my own 15-year-old son in Trayvon.

Similarly, when I heard about the apparent racially motivated killing spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, last week, it angered me because I could see my brothers and uncles in the slain victims.

But something different happened inside when I saw the video of a white tourist being savagely beaten and stripped by a bunch of black thugs in Baltimore over St. Patrick's Day weekend.

My heart wasn't touched.

I didn't get angry.

Instead, I just became cold.

I didn't want the individuals involved to be arrested.

I wanted them thrown in jail for life. I thought what possible good could adults who would do that to another human being bring to society? Some folks can be rehabilitated, but sometimes it's best to just cut our losses. Why bother wasting taxpayers' dollars on a trial over something that simply cannot and should not be defended? As I watched the helpless man being kicked and heard him being laughed at, I just wanted those hoodlums escorted to solitary confinement and the key thrown away.

As I told you, I became cold.

Sick even.

I posted the video on my Facebook wall and soon found myself in a conversation with a buddy of mine, Brian, who I've known since grad school. In my frustration I e-mailed "I hate people."

Brian immediately hit back: "No you don't. You love people, that is why this upset you so much."

He was right. I don't hate people. I just hated what happened to that guy, just like I hated what happened to the victims in Tulsa. But what I really hate is how the video is only going to confirm what so many whites think about blacks and the arrests are only going to confirm what so many blacks think about whites.

That's where much of the focus will inevitably go instead of to what I think is far more important, and that is what blacks think about ourselves. I don't need to tell you what the response from the black community would be if the victim in the Baltimore video was black and the assailants white. But for some reason many blacks puree crimes of this nature through some warped situational ethics filter, which in the end only makes a mockery of the community more than it empowers it.

For if President Obama had a son, he would look like Trayvon, but he would also look like one of the assailants in that video. That's the uncomfortable truth that the black community must deal with: Racism still hurts us, but not nearly as much as we hurt ourselves.

The same weekend the man in Baltimore was attacked, in Chicago 10 people were killed and 40 were wounded, including a 6-year-old girl who was shot dead while she was playing on the front porch of her home in the Little Village neighborhood.

Neighborhoods such as Little Village, and West Englewood, which has a homicide rate five times that of the rest of the city, are mostly black and Latino. Since 2008, nearly 80% of the more than 500 killings of youth in Chicago have occurred in the 22 black and Latino neighborhoods. Those deaths are not coming by the hands of the KKK but by people who look a lot like the ones in that St. Patrick's Day video.

Or the ones in the video that went viral in February in which a bunch of black thugs attacked a black man as he left a grocery store.

Or the ones in the video that went viral three years ago in which a bunch of black thugs attacked and killed a 16-year-old honor roll student, who was also black.

Sadly, I could go on, but I think the picture is clear.

What isn't as clear is what the black community is going to do about it.

We know how to come together and fight against injustice when the alleged perpetrators are white. However we're not quite sure how to deal with injustice as a community when the perpetrators look like us -- and that is troubling, because when you look at the statistics, it seems the survival of the black community depends more on figuring that part out than dealing with the George Zimmermans of the world.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What connects those four?

Shortening bread?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

What connects those four?

You must be new to this case. Obama said; "If I had a son, he would probably look like Trayvon Martin." Then Eric Holder (second pic down) said he would get right on it and started throwing Federal weight in Florida. The other two idiots (J. Jacskon, and Al Sharpton) flew right down there to do photo shoots with Trayvon's parents and then jumped into a few marches for some more photo ops while running their mouth to the press. Those last two live off of racial tension and will make it if it isn't there.

Those four people in the pics are why this case is a case and has gone this far. They don't care about Florida law or anything else, they just want to stir it up and get some votes in their own area(s). Sharpton is NYC, and Sharpton and Obama are south side Chicago. Eric Holder is the same idiot who is responsible for "Fast and Furious" in which he gave away hundreds if not thousands of semi automatic weapons to Mexican drug lords...all on the US tax payers dime.

Edited April 18, 2012 by Why_Me