I feel silly asking.....but SS card before or after marriage?

[Aquelunya 0]

HI all!

So we are ready YES, My baby will be here on the 19th of October. But does anyone know if he will receive his social security # before or after the civil ceremony? I swore it was after, but now I heard otherwise so I'm a bit confused....anyone know for a fact?

thanks

Aque

[Kez/JWolf 6]

he can apply for his SSN before marriage..... he sould wait about 2 weeks after arriving here and then apply. This will give time for his information to be in the SAVE system at the SSA office....

Hope this helps

Kezzie

[I'm Gone 60]

My baby will be here on the 19th of October. But does anyone know if he will receive his social security # before or after the civil ceremony?

Unless he applies for one at an SSA office he will never get one. Since I assume there will be no name change involved for him, applying before or after your marriage shouldn't create any problems, but I would suggest he apply ASAP to make sure he gets it before the I-94 is no longer usable to be assigned an SSN.

An individual with K-1 status applying for a work authorized SSN must present evidence at an SSA office to establish his or her age, identity and current lawful employment authorized status.

An individual needs to provide at least two documents as evidence to establish age, identity and current lawful employment authorized status.

SSA will not assign an SSN or issue a card to an individual that is within 14 days of his or her alien status expiring. Until the 76th day after entry an individual with K-1 status only needs to provide an unexpired I-94 showing current K-1 status to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

RM 00202.115 Form SS-5 Item 3 — Citizenship:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202115

B. PROCEDURE - ANSWER TO ITEM 3

2. Legal Alien Allowed to Work

The applicant should check this block if he/she alleges to be a lawfully admitted alien with work authorization.

Once, an individual with K-1 status has been in the United States 76 days he or she will need another document, i.e. I-551, I-688B or I-766 to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500#C1

RM 00203.410 Evidence of Alien Status for an SSN Card for an Alien Lawfully Admitted for Permanent Residence:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203410

I'll include this if you are changing your name

Only the marriage document (foreign or domestic) is needed if it meets the following criteria:

-- The new name can be derived from the marriage document, i.e. bride takes the groom's last name, groom takes bride's last name, compound name (with or without hyphen) of each spouse's original name for either or both parties.

-- The marriage occurred within the past two years

-- The marriage document shows sufficient identifying information (e.g., biographical data such as age, date of birth or parent's names), and

-- The identifying information matches the information on his/her current Social Security number record.

The applicant will need to submit an identity document in the old name along with the marriage document if:

-- The marriage occurred within the last two years and has biographical information, e.g., age, date of birth or parent's names which does not match our records, e.g., the SSN record.

-- The marriage occurred within the last two years, but does not show biographical information, or

-- The marriage occurred over two years ago (with or without biographical information.

The identity document used to establish the old name must match the name on the current SSN record. The identity document is acceptable even if over two years old or expired.

You can find detailed information regarding changing SSN record (Numident) data on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

When requesting an SSN card, the documents presented, as evidence must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. SSA will not accept uncertified or notarized photocopies as evidence.

“If the applicant has no immediate need for the SSN and the translation can be done promptly or the foreign language document is the only evidence available; have the document translated by an authorized translator and use the document as evidence.”

“If the applicant has a pressing need for an SSN, and evidence other than the foreign language document is available; request other evidence and process the application without the foreign language document.”

RM 00203.040 Reviewing SSN Evidence:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203040#B3

GN 00301.340 Authorized Translators Defined:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0200301340

If a foreign-born person has the foreign birth certificate (BC) in his/her possession or can easily obtain a copy, he or she must submit it as proof of age. When a person is foreign-born, a BC may not exist, may not have been recorded shortly after birth, or the probative value of the document may not be high. In these situations, SSA can accept alternative evidence of age in order of probative value. The alternative evidence of age may be less than a year old, e.g., a DHS document or passport.

You can find detailed information regarding evidence that establishes age on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203110

The documents acceptable as evidence of identity are now based on three factors: (1) the applicant’s age, (2) the applicant’s citizenship/alien status, and (3) the relative probative value of documents.

Any document used to establish identity must meet the following criteria:

-- The document provides information the reviewer can compare with the data on the form SS-5 (e.g., the person's name, as well as age, date of birth, or parents' names) and/or

-- The document provides information the reviewer can compare with the applicant (e.g., physical description, photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document should have the person's name as well as information that can be compared to the SSN record, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or parents' names).

However, the acceptability of an identity document must be evaluated on a case by case basis by the office processing the application, taking into consideration the applicant's situation and exploring what evidence is available for the person.

You can find detailed information regarding evidence that establishes identity on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#E6

SSA will not accept an application filing receipt or notice of action as proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

Take the required documents, to the nearest Social Security office. Individuals age 12 or older applying for an original SSN and card must apply in person at one of our offices.

You can obtain the address and directions to the nearest Social Security office from the Social Security Office Locator, which is available on the Internet at:

http://www.ssa.gov/locator

Normally, an SSN card should be received in the mail within two weeks after the application and document(s) have been received and verified.

When an alien requests an SSN or replacement/corrected SSN card, SSA will verify his or her documents and current status with the appropriate Bureau of the Department of Homeland Security. If verification is not available through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) system, SSA will send Form G-845 for manual verification.

RM 00203.720 Verifying Immigration Documents:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203720

The 14 day status expiration limit for assigning an SSN and/or issuing a card applies even if an individual submitted his or her application before being within the 14 day period and entered the 14 day period while waiting for his or her status to be verified.

If the SSA office does send the G-845, suggest that you go back to the SSA office no more that once week with your documents to (1) ask them to check SAVE again (2) ask if they sent a G-845 (3) if yes, did it come back (4) after 30 days ask if they have followed up on the G-845 by calling or sending another mark “second request.”

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203735

RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE

You can try calling the SSA Regional Office if you have waited at least 30 days and your local SSA office doesn't seem to be concerned about following up on the G-845

http://www.ssa.gov/otherssasites/

Refer them to:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203740

RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS

Step 6

DHS should respond to SSA within 15 federal work days after receiving the Form G-845. If DHS does not respond within 15 federal work days from the receipt of the G-845 from SSA, follow-up with the DHS, USCIS Immigration Status office. (Allow 15 days plus five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS. Follow local practice to follow-up with DHS.

Some SSA offices have an arrangement with the DHS, USCIS office to telephone for the follow-up contact; other SSA offices send a copy of the original G-845 annotated “second request.”) If the DHS response is still not received within 15 federal work days after the follow-up contact (if the follow-up is by mail allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS), make a second follow-up contact. If the DHS response is not received within 15 federal workdays (again, if the follow-up is by mail, allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS), after two follow-ups, contact the Regional Office (RO). Also report to the RO any trend that shows a serious deviation by DHS from the above time frames. The RO will consult with central office.

All cards are mailed from Social Security Headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland to the postal address provided on the Form SS-5.

You may find additional SSN and employment information on the Internal Revenue Service Website at:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/intern...=129227,00.html

[Waiting in Vancouver 6]

HI all!

So we are ready YES, My baby will be here on the 19th of October. But does anyone know if he will receive his social security # before or after the civil ceremony? I swore it was after, but now I heard otherwise so I'm a bit confused....anyone know for a fact?

thanks

Aque

First off you don't just receive your SSN card with a K-1 Visa ... You have to apply for it once you have been in the US for about 10 days and you don't have to be married first to get it ... K-1 Visas are allowed to have their SSN cards prior to adjusting of status (AOS) or work authorization (EAD) ... This is because technically we are allowed to work for the first 90 days (length of the I-94) unfortunately trying to prove this to a potential employer is almost impossible unless you receive the temporary EAD at your POE (which is rare) ...

You only need the SSN for marriage if the state/county you are getting married in requires it ... You will have to do some research regarding that ...

I can tell you that in Dekalb County in Illinois I didn't need a SSN card to get the marriage license ...

Edited October 10, 2006 by Waiting in Vancouver

[Kathryn41 3,205]

He is arriving in on the K-1? Basically, he will be able to go to the SS office and apply for his SS card about 10 days to 2 weeks after he arrives in the US. When he first arrives at the POE, he will hand over his brown envelope that he received with his visa. (Make sure he doesn't pack it in his checked luggage). That envelope is then sent to immigration and the information inside is entered into their SAVE computer system . It takes about 10 days to 2 weeks for this to happen. When he goes to get his SS number, he brings his passport with his K-1 visa and his I-94 that is put in his passport at the POE. SSN then checks the SAVE system to ensure he is legally in the country and immigration has his records, then they will issue him his card. Generally, if he is in the system, the card will take about 2 weeks to arrive.

Since he doesn't have to worry about a name change through marriage he might as well get his SSN as soon as possible. He can get it before or after marriage, but his name needs to be in the SAVE system and there needs to be a certain amount of time left on the I-94 whichis valid for 90 days from when he enters. (someone else will be able to tell you how many days as I don't recall). He will probably need a SSN to obtain a driver's license and some banks require it for him to be added to an account.

Edited October 10, 2006 by Kathryn41

[sercontigo 1]

glad this topic came up...some very helpful info i intend to retain

thanx

[aclassic 0]

No problem! He should be able to make a bee line for the SS office and get his Social Security Card.

[Aquelunya 0]

thank you GUYS!

This site is the best, and I wish you all much luck.

Aque

[Waiting in Vancouver 6]

In regards to getting a drivers license you better do some research in respect to the state you live in ... He may be allowed to drive on his license from his home country for a certain time from from becoming a resident of your state ... I know I can drive for 90 days in Illinois although I am not sure if the 90 days starts when I arrive in the US of from when I get my EAD/AOS maybe someone else can answer that question for me ...

If he applies for the license before he gets his EAD or AOS then there is a chance his new drivers license will expire when his I-94 expires and he may be without a license till he gets his EAD or AOS because your state may take his drivers license he is holding from his home country (I know Illinois will take it upon giving you a Illinois State License) ...

[Aquelunya 0]

In regards to getting a drivers license you better do some research in respect to the state you live in ... He may be allowed to drive on his license from his home country for a certain time from from becoming a resident of your state ... I know I can drive for 90 days in Illinois although I am not sure if the 90 days starts when I arrive in the US of from when I get my EAD/AOS maybe someone else can answer that question for me ...

If he applies for the license before he gets his EAD or AOS then there is a chance his new drivers license will expire when his I-94 expires and he may be without a license till he gets his EAD or AOS because your state may take his drivers license he is holding from his home country (I know Illinois will take it upon giving you a Illinois State License) ...

Good point, I know he can drive on his current license....but if he applies for the NY one,they may take it away...he won't like that Who knows more about this?

[Ladylethal 12]

We only need the passport to get married, right?

[Aquelunya 0]

We only need the passport to get married, right?

I think it depends on the state you live in. As far as I know;proof of age and proof of identity is required.

[Caladan 19]

This is going to be goram annoying. So, get here, wait two weeks, apply for SSN card, wait two weeks, hope they don't foul it up, apply for the marriage license, hope they don't foul that up, get married.

Both PA, where I want to get married, and CT, where I live, have this requirement of SSN and drivers' license or other photo ID.

[isleta521 5]

We only need the passport to get married, right?

Thats all that Val needed in NM + her BC and translation of it.

[meauxna 15]

This is going to be goram annoying. So, get here, wait two weeks, apply for SSN card, wait two weeks, hope they don't foul it up, apply for the marriage license, hope they don't foul that up, get married.

Both PA, where I want to get married, and CT, where I live, have this requirement of SSN and drivers' license or other photo ID.

C, don't go with what is posted on the websites of your local jurisdictions--contact the office for where you would most like to marry and speak to them directly.

Usually there is an exception for the foreign spouse to be.